Mac and almost all young impact players typically sign away FA years so they can still hit the market at age 30, so Swanson might extend through his age 29 season (1 FA year).Originally Posted by thewupk
And what will be the cost for that age 29 season? Likely 2x the cost it would have been if he were controlled through arbitration.
Never say never
I don't, personally. I'd just like some variety/originality—or at least a cursory google-image search:
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Those are possible outcomes. So it signing him into his early 30's.
True. Which is why I didn't point any fingers.
Regardless of when we sign him, it will be more expensive than had we waited.
You are right. But as was pointed out earlier do you really think the Braves go with an internal guy to start 2017 at short? Or do you think a 1 year stop gap is signed? How much would said stop gap cost? Do you think having Albies and Swanson hit FA at the same time is a good move? Or would you want to delay Albies until a month into 2018 assuming service time issues don't change? I doubt the extra 10 million or whatever it would be in that season is really going to be that big of a deal.
Even if that happens his age 29 season will be much more expensive than it should have been. I have a hard time envisioning how they are going to make that money up with Swanson this season, or how they are going to afford to bring an equal player at the same price when he leaves.
The point is they managed his value sub-optimally. It is a fact that no amount of homerism or hypotheticals are going to change.
That's if he signs away his age 29 season. Another hypothetical to defend a sub-optimal move.
I think the assumption that he's automatically gone after 6 years is the sub-optimal thought process.
Is it that hard for you to grasp that Swanson will either be gone for his age 29 season, or cost significantly more during his age 29 season? And that the only reason that is the case is because they decided they wanted ~200 MLB PAs for him during the lost 2016/2017 seasons?
How anyone can defend this is mind boggling.
I don't think it's a big deal. I doubt the Braves are going to be hard up for 10 million dollars in 2023 either. Because that money is going to be able to get a lot done 7 years from now.
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Your never going to understand anything the Braves are doing if you are conceding 2017.
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I absolutely understand your point of view.
It baffles me that you can't see the logic on the other side.
clvclv (09-20-2016)
We'll pay Swanson when the time comes. After all isn't that the purpose of Suntrust Park to be able to keep a team together for a long stretch??
Can we be on the level for a second?
Swanson is probably not going to be one of the best SS in the game and he almost certainly isn't going to be any kind of franchise player. So, arguing over his age 29 season control or talking about locking up his arbitration years is probably much ado about not a whole lot.
But I certainly am on the side of the argument that says there was no real reason to bring him up this year as he was scuffling in AA, has publicly been complaining about how "tired" he is, and the Braves suck this year and there is a decent chance they will suck next year. They could easily have saved the year of control and broken him in an low pressure environment next year.
He'd also have been a new thing to keep interest high in the first year of the stadium.
But lord have mercy does it matter this much?
There are the Teheran and Simmons contracts. I think perhaps that is more what is being referred to than a home town discount, but otherwise you are correct I think.
All this debating has me confused. I was under the impression that under the current CBA, there is no difference in the number of years you control a player if he is on season opening roster than if you called him up August etc the prior year. Is that not true?
There was no way we were gonna keep Dansby down long enough to gain a year. However, with the injury, etc to Ozzie, maybe we can keep him in the minors until post June next year or whatever it takes to gain a year with him. Actually I doubt that happens either after Ozzie tears it up next Spring, etc.
That is correct. Swanson would of needed to be kept down until mid April or so to gain an extra year.
And that number will no doubt break the franchise and they'll have to fold.
Wait a second, does Kevin Maitan play SS? Or anyone else they might draft in the next 6 years?
Didn't someone mention something about moronic posts earlier???
Has there EVER been a statement and question a certain someone should absolutely never have made and asked publicly more than...
Kinda pathetic to see yourself as a message board knight in shining armor. How impotent does someone have to be in real life to resort to playing hero on a message board?
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