I don't agree with this at all, it was bad enough the first time. Loe is done, he's been awful all season long but here he comes again. Further, Freddy Garcia is just another Livan all over again. He may start off okay (pitch well enough in games already over), but when it counts don't expect much.
It seems as long as you're a "veteran" it doesn't matter if you stink.
Last edited by Braves1976; 09-02-2013 at 10:06 AM.
That is the one thing I dislike about baseball, as long as you are a veteran you can suck but still get called up. Stupid. Give a kid a chance.
Braves1976 (09-02-2013)
I agree completely, Garcia and Loe have no business on this team, at all.
I don't know if it is worse here than other teams, but the "cult of the veteran" is one of the more annoying features of our front office. Proctor, Livan, Durbin, Freddy Garcia, Loe. It goes on, and is especially annoying when there are better "non-veteran" options available.
Braves1976 (09-02-2013)
That's pretty close to correct. They're needed to eat innings. They don't have to be that good.Originally Posted by Braves1976
Exactly. Plus the Braves could use another bullpen arm that is strong vs righties. We have a few in AAA but none of them have been called up.
Last edited by Braves1976; 09-02-2013 at 10:41 AM.
I don't see the issue with either since neither will be used in high leverage situations. It's good to have them to eat up innings when mop up men are needed.
JohnAdcox (09-02-2013)
I heard that when Loe was called up the first time, then he cost us a game later that week. If we're serious about first overall and home field we need good long relievers too. Keep in mind, the Braves don't play many games like yesterday. They are rarely out of a game.
Last edited by Braves1976; 09-02-2013 at 10:38 AM.
Loe did well in AAA. If we have the top seed locked up I would give him a start.
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Yea, but none of those guys were given roles of ANY importance at all. Loe and Garcia are just here as good veteran guys to have around, eat innings and save arms in september, and maybe help mentor a couple of the kids.
I'd rather have them do these roles than some 22 year old who could probably use the rest now that the minor league season is over.
Pugfan (09-02-2013)
Agree. Don't know what the barking is about. Obispo and Buchter are the only non-40 man roster guys who likely deserve a look (some could argue Poveda). I think Hale will probably join the big league squad as well at some point, but he's scheduled to start today.
I see Temo and I are on the same page as well. Garcia and Loe are only here to eat innings.
Ditto. And Freddy Garcia was used brilliantly yesterday. The game was lost, or close enough, and the bullpen was sparred and ready. All good.
You must not know that Loe has a .301 BAA when he faces RHH this year. Pretty poor when you are a right handed pitcher.
It seems you either misread or misunderstood my response. But we agree that Loe has been poor, even in the minors contrary to the claims here otherwise. They obviously haven't watched Loe or AAA games much like some of us do (myself included). Plus some will always argue for whatever move the Braves make.
Last edited by Braves1976; 09-02-2013 at 12:38 PM.
Teheran_49 (09-02-2013)
I must have misread b/c I thought you were saying Loe was good against righties. My bad.
Braves1976 (09-02-2013)
It's cool, I actually appreciate the point you made that supported my case. I started to note the same myself. But personally I'd also argue that Loe has pitched worse than the overall numbers show. Sometimes stats don't tell the whole story if you know what I mean.
I am fine with inning-eaters, especially with our division lead. You don't want to have a young pitcher take a beating for the team, but I would have no issue leaving Garcia or Loe out there in a blowout.
Gotta have somebody to pitch on days like today to FINALLY give the regular pen guys some rest.
Of course the problem is Fredi runs Avila, Downs, and Carpenter out there.
Dalyn (09-02-2013)
Fredi saving Loe for when it matters apparently (a la his last game in NYC before being DFA'd).Gotta have somebody to pitch on days like today to FINALLY give the regular pen guys some rest.
Of course the problem is Fredi runs Avila, Downs, and Carpenter out there.
LOE IS STARTING WEDNESDAY...
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