If it's the right deal, of course I pull the trigger. But I think most of us are on the same page.
I personally prefer to wait until next year, keep our pieces, develop our players and move only if the package is completely fine.
If it's the right deal, of course I pull the trigger. But I think most of us are on the same page.
I personally prefer to wait until next year, keep our pieces, develop our players and move only if the package is completely fine.
Sale would be a great addition. Obviously you fret about the cost to acquire, but, damn, Sale + another offensive piece would drastically change this team's chances in 2017 and beyond.
Good synopsis of your thinking. I just LOVE great starting pitching- and while I understand the thinking that says you develop your ace, there's no guarantee any of these great young arms reaches the level of Sale.Originally Posted by clvclv
So when this kind of opportunity comes around, I have to give it every consideration. I am more confident in Mallex than most, but would get heartburn over Albies, since I do agree that cuts into our everyday competitiveness, probably too much. I do give up multiple high ceiling pitching prospects as well, as long as I hang on to the ones I secretly think are the pick of the litter.
What if we also took on Shields' contract?
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Still no interest - even if it lowers the prospect cost (which it won't in this case). They're not trading their best piece for anything less than a prospect haul, and I certainly don't blame them. The B. J./Melvin - Kimbrel deal really doesn't apply. We HAD to get rid of Upton, and Kimbrel wasn't going to net anything near what Sale will. You don't attach a bad contract to someone like Sale - that completely hamstrings your rebuilding effort because you've effectively lowered the level of talent you can possibly get back. Someone will eventually cave and give Chicago exactly what they want for Sale - other teams are close enough that he literally could be their final piece - JMO, but I have to agree with those who think we aren't there just yet.
Look at it this way - even if Folty takes a step forward and your top 3 THIS YEAR are Sale, Julio, and the best we've seen of Folty, you still have to replace Big Sexy and Dickey for the final two seasons you control Sale. Are Wisler and Blair going to be good enough if you trade away Newcomb and Sims? Will a Ruiz/Garcia platoon produce in the event Kemp/Markakis/Swanson/Freeman take even a slight step back? Even if you were able to hang onto Allard or Touki, Soroka, and the arms drafted this summer, it's asking a lot to have them ready before late 2019, and that's the very end of your control over Sale.
Besides, taking on Shields' money would put us even further away from contending now. That's money you couldn't spend on a Catcher or 3B.
What I'm leaving out is a potential extension for Sale, but I can't imagine there's much of a chance for one even though he's "local" and his agent is B. B. Abbott.
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Has there EVER been a statement and question a certain someone should absolutely never have made and asked publicly more than...
Kinda pathetic to see yourself as a message board knight in shining armor. How impotent does someone have to be in real life to resort to playing hero on a message board?
Unless Frazier were part of the package.
Why are people throwing around names as if they are sitting next to Coppy? No one knows it it's Albies or Inciarte...just let the thing play out...all rumors up to this point.
This assessment by gondeee seems about right to me. Would probably take a package like: Albies, Acuna, Allard, Newcomb. Now is not the right time to consider a package like that, IMO. It doesn't hurt to negotiate though and see if a significantly lower offer wins the bidding.
Agreed if that is even close to the package.
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Agreed, but let's continue to discuss Sale trades for a package of Jenkins, Mallex, Ellis and Dustin Peterson. All it should take is 4 "for real" prospects!!
Has anyone discussed that collection of players?
Hudson2 (11-15-2016)
Nope, but I'm an original thinker and I'm contributing to the unrealistic trade scenarios for Sale.
Turner Field for Sale. Straight up.
cajunrevenge (11-15-2016)
We probably won't get Sale since he is the prize jewel of the offseason and will cost too much, but it shows we're shopping around for a front of the rotation starter to team with Julio and Folty. I keep hearing how we cannot trade prospects as it will hurt our farm system, but I don't think we're just going to stop acquiring prospects. Odds are we're going to flip Colon and Dickey come July. We're also going to have a top 5 pick and a top 5 pick in 2nd round. I can also see where we could acquire or trade for a compensatory pick when they're announced in January. We're not going to just stop acquiring prospects. They want to keep the pipeline strong and flowing.
I thought the point of drafting all of this pitching was either to develop it or flip it for hitting. Now we're talking about moving the few of the bats we have in our system for more pitching. Personally, I think Sale would be a great fit, but the cost it would take to get him could seriously come back to haunt us.
It's also for 3 years. We may not even be ready to contend for two of those. Archer would be a more ideal fit for the future.
Bravehog (11-15-2016)
I do agree with your Archer point. I'm guessing the Rays understand that, too.
Sale couldn't crack this rotation. Too many studs like Dickey and Bartolo.
cajunrevenge (11-15-2016)
Careful, son. Bartolo could eat you for lunch.
Is this Gondeee a reliable source of information?
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