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    That was way back when the company line was how much pitching was available,and then two months later there was none .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southcack77 View Post
    Yes, the Braves could have had a 16 million dollar 4th OF. I'm sure they are kicking themselves given he was awful in Atlanta and there is little reason to think he would have been better given more time.

    Pads liked him so much they ate his contract to get rid of him.

    I swear for someone who acts like the smartest guy in the room 24/7 you say some dumb ****.
    Yeah, it breaks my ****ing heart that we don't have Melvin, his $16m/yr contract, winning personality and .750 OPS against left-handers.

    Holy Ch***t, and he says I'm an idiot? Enscheff might be dumber than his new friend who was explaining OBP to him yesterday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zbhargrove View Post
    Wow all hail the mighty Enscheff who is never wrong. How do you immediately reply to almost everything with your championship corn hole antics, your wildly successful millionaire business ventures, and your rigorous MMA training routine. All that yet you're always at the computer to reply immediately... curious....
    Don't forget his side gig as a male porn star.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    Pay up on our bet and I'll prove one aspect of my personal life to you. That should help keep you from laying in bed wondering about what my life is actually like.
    One thing I know for sure is that you spend a lot of time thinking and typing about a 75-win baseball team that doesn't pay you.

    The other thing that occurs to me is that if you're spending that much time on this ****, there's no way you're spending as much time as you need to on the MMA, pornstar, software development, father-to-be stuff that you allegedly do.

    So quit trying to win internet arguments and go do some of that other ****. Especially the pornstar thing, I'm sure that's fulfilling.

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    Better signing - Cubs signing Jason Heyward from Stl

    Or

    STL signing Fowler away from Chicago Cubs

    Discuss.
    Last edited by Tapate50; 12-09-2016 at 02:47 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gilesfan View Post
    Its wasnt as good as the others but a heck of a lot better than what we got from Pads and we had an extra year of control.
    I fail to see how it was a heckuva lot better. I keep seeing years of control as some of huge benefit. Years of control aren't as valuable when the player is getting paid at premium price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tapate50 View Post
    Better signing - Cubs signing Jason Heyward from Stl

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    STL signing Fowler away from Chicago Cubs

    Discuss.
    As far as kick in the nuts to fans. The heyward signing was better. Cards had to trade to get heyward. Then he left. The cubs rented fowler and told him to move on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smootness View Post
    You sure about that? They got Margot, which is great. Guerra isn't that great. They're pretty comparable.
    Yes I am sure about that. Margot is better than any of them and that's realistically what matters. A real chance to be an impact player.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thewupk View Post
    Yes I am sure about that. Margot is better than any of them and that's realistically what matters. A real chance to be an impact player.
    At the time of the deals, he was rated basically where Wisler was. Wisler is struggling and Margot's stock has gone up some. That's the only difference.

    And it's all still up in the air. Margot could end up being meh, while Wisler, Riley, or Touki could take a big step forward and become very good; they all have real chances to become impact players as well. Margot has the highest stock right now, but I'd still probably take the 3 and figure I've got better odds.
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    I've said it a million times it feels like, but Justin Turner is a PERFECT fit for us.

    Inciarte CF
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    Quote Originally Posted by UNCBlue012 View Post
    I've said it a million times it feels like, but Justin Turner is a PERFECT fit for us.

    Inciarte CF
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    He'll cost a pick. We won't sign him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UNCBlue012 View Post
    I've said it a million times it feels like, but Justin Turner is a PERFECT fit for us.

    Inciarte CF
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    We have top 5 draft money this year and it's the last year we'll have such an advantage. I cannot see us trading away a pick and not taking advantage of that, unless we were awarded a comp pick and traded for another. That's supposed to come out in Januray

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carp View Post
    I fail to see how it was a heckuva lot better. I keep seeing years of control as some of huge benefit. Years of control aren't as valuable when the player is getting paid at premium price.
    Is 3/33 a premium price for Craig Kimbrel?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gilesfan View Post
    Is 3/33 a premium price for Craig Kimbrel?
    Well it wasn't 3/33. It was 3/39. 13 million per year for a reliever it quite significant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gilesfan View Post
    Is 3/33 a premium price for Craig Kimbrel?
    It's funny to me that you and Enscheff stick strictly to numbers until you come upon an argument where the numbers don't support what you want, so you start just throwing out feelings and such.

    His contract at the time was not an absolute premium, but it certainly wasn't cheap. Again, he had about $26 million in surplus value attached at the time of the Braves trade, over 4 years. His value has dropped since.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smootness View Post
    It's funny to me that you and Enscheff stick strictly to numbers until you come upon an argument where the numbers don't support what you want, so you start just throwing out feelings and such.

    His contract at the time was not an absolute premium, but it certainly wasn't cheap. Again, he had about $26 million in surplus value attached at the time of the Braves trade, over 4 years. His value has dropped since.
    Not to mention that it was universally acclaimed at the time of the trade.

    And it was also widely accepted amongst most fans that keeping Kimbrel on a 60 win team made no sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chop2chip View Post
    Not to mention that it was universally acclaimed at the time of the trade.

    And it was also widely accepted amongst most fans that keeping Kimbrel on a 60 win team made no sense.
    Its the standard moving of the goalposts on here to paint the Braves organization in a bad light or one that isn't embracing the enlightened sabermetric movement which of course is nonsense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    Its the standard moving of the goalposts on here to paint the Braves organization in a bad light or one that isn't embracing the enlightened sabermetric movement which of course is nonsense.
    Is it trying to paint the team in a bad light if it's suggested the Braves sold themselves short by attacking Melvin to Kimbrel? Also Quientin and Maybin have to be factored into the trade as well to get a complete analysis.

    I don't think it was a bad trade but the Braves likely could have gotten more if it was just Kimbrel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thewupk View Post
    Is it trying to paint the team in a bad light if it's suggested the Braves sold themselves short by attacking Melvin to Kimbrel? Also Quientin and Maybin have to be factored into the trade as well to get a complete analysis.

    I don't think it was a bad trade but the Braves likely could have gotten more if it was just Kimbrel.
    You could argue that we got touki because of the deal as well. To me that should be considered as part of the package.
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    Elite closers will generally out pace their surplus value in a trade just like they do in most FA signings. They just usually cost more than what their WAR suggests. With that being said a year ago Margot and Guerrera were 52 and 56 on the BA Top 100. That combined surplus value came in around 50 million. Craigs surplus value was only like 10 million at the time of the trade. Padres got more back imo.

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