With the signing of Markakis it seems likely that the Braves still could have added Arroyo's salary while keeping BJ on the team.Originally Posted by thethe
With the signing of Markakis it seems likely that the Braves still could have added Arroyo's salary while keeping BJ on the team.
They still would have needed someone to play right field. They weren't going to put out the worst major league product in the history of baseball.
They signed Neck before they traded BJ so that signing had nothing to do with the trade. But I am hesitant to put Touki in that trade because, I don't think any MLB team (outside of Zona) could come up with 10 million to get a talent like Touki...
chop2chip (12-09-2016)
I like Turner a lot. But I also like Longoria, and Frazier, and Solarte....anybody who can handle the glove and give us a little power from the corner. 2-3 years from now, we'll have a home grown 3B.
Frazier seems particularly attainable because he doesn't fit there and he's a moderately priced short term guy who shouldn't cost an arm and a leg in prospects. Of course I'm assuming he hits .260 not .210, but he's a fine defender and of course has Big Power.
I know Wieters is a Boras client, but is it becoming plausible that we are his match? I heard Castillo to Baltimore.
I still think they are putting their catching eggs in the Lucroy basket. They wouldn't want Wieters if that is the plan... better to just stand pat.
It was a different marketplace. The Braves were among the first teams to capitalize on the inflated value of relief pitchers, unfortunately we weren't exactly at the peak of the bubble. If we had Kimbrel this past summer it would have been us trading for Clint Frazier or Gleybarr Torres.
I agree with your general point that Upton attaching the Braves costs the Braves the ability to extract better prospects from SD, but the Braves essentially got back the "surplus value" of Margot and Guerrera in the form of ridding themselves of BJ's contract. Losing Kimbrel's surplus value of $10 million and taking on Quentin's $8 million eats into that value. But if you add back in Wisler's $25 million in surplus value with the value of the draft pick and Maybin you get something in the neighborhood of 60-80 million in net surplus value, which is comparable to what the Padres received from Boston.
The real counter argument would be should the Braves have foreseen the inflated closer market? My counter would be even if they had, it still made more sense to trade Kimbrel when we did because the risk was too enormous that Kimbrel would get hurt or lose his effectiveness and then you're stuck with ~90 million in bad contracts with no assets to show for it.
EDIT: I don't think surplus value is necessarily the best way to evaluate a trade like this, but it seems to be the only way some are willing to evaluate trades these days.
Last edited by chop2chip; 12-09-2016 at 05:58 PM.
smootness (12-09-2016), Southcack77 (12-09-2016)
This is a good point.
It's certainly possible, but people clamoring it was a bad trade are just flat out wrong. Again, we still got good value even if we could have gotten a better deal somewhere else.
Last edited by Carp; 12-09-2016 at 03:10 PM.
Congrats to the Padres. I don't know what that has to do with our trade.
Great post.
His last point reminds me about Grilli.. He was going to fetch a very nice return before the leg blow out.. Man fate was not kind there
Hawk (12-09-2016)
It's that time of year again.
be still my beating heart
Umm.. every AAA championship team needs a utility man.
zbhargrove (12-09-2016)
What is our infatuation with Bonafacio??? I don't understand.
We needed someone to play center in AAA. Looks like Dustin Peterson and Matt Tuiasosopo will be the corner outfielders.
Rojas??
Have we re-signed him? I believe he is a six-year free agent.
He is still listed as a brave in winter ball.
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