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Thread: The Trump Presidency

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    Quote Originally Posted by mqt View Post
    He ended up winning an appeal on the power tool thing, so he technically didn’t break that law. If you think we ought to be deporting the mentally ill because of disorderly conduct, I guess you’re right.
    If you commit a crime as a non-citizen then you should be deported.

    Not sure why American citizens should have to bear the burden of another countries citizen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Julio3000 View Post
    So sturg is going to vote for Trump if Sanders or Warren gets the nomination because “socialism kills people.”

    So let’s just say that one of those two gets elected in 2020. Let’s further stipulate that the Senate goes Democratic, so they’ll have at least a couple of years to enact a legislative agenda. Let’s assume they get a big chunk of their policy wishlist: some form of universal single-payer healthcare, student loan debt forgiveness, free public college tuition, family leave, early childhood education, etc.

    Ok, who’s gonna die? Certainly, fewer of those who are currently dying from preventable illness because of lack of access to care or needed medication. Where is the socialist death toll going to come from?
    The American economy...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Julio3000 View Post
    So sturg is going to vote for Trump if Sanders or Warren gets the nomination because “socialism kills people.”

    So let’s just say that one of those two gets elected in 2020. Let’s further stipulate that the Senate goes Democratic, so they’ll have at least a couple of years to enact a legislative agenda. Let’s assume they get a big chunk of their policy wishlist: some form of universal single-payer healthcare, student loan debt forgiveness, free public college tuition, family leave, early childhood education, etc.

    Ok, who’s gonna die? Certainly, fewer of those who are currently dying from preventable illness because of lack of access to care or needed medication. Where is the socialist death toll going to come from?
    It's a wonder why I'll even bother responding, but here goes.

    There may not be immediate consequences in 4 years.. but the lasting effects of completely wrecking our economy and giving the state more and more control has shown time and time again to be disastrous.

    People die when the economy goes to ****.

    There has long been substantial evidence linking job loss to shorter lives and more health-related problems. A 2009 study on the impact of the 1980s oil crisis and subsequent recession in Pennsylvania, published by economists Daniel Sullivan and Till von Wachter in the Quarterly Journal of Economics, found that in the year after men lost their jobs in mass layoffs, their chances of dying doubled. And though the heightened risk tapered off over the years, it was still significantly higher 20 years later. If such trends were sustained indefinitely, the authors wrote, it would mean a loss in life expectancy of 1–1.5 years for a worker displaced at age 40.
    People lose their jobs when you get your precious minimum wage increase. I noticed there was no commentary on this from the WSJ in the other thread. Bernie can't pay his own people $15 an hour, but demands the biggest employers in the world do as well. As well as small businesses alike.

    So businesses close. People lose their jobs. The economy goes to ****. More people need the government to help them.

    The government can't pay for any of this **** so they print and print and borrow and print some more. The only thing keeping our economy afloat is the value of the dollar. But the Sanders policies would more than double our debt over night. An easy example off top of mind is the inflation of Brazil in the early 90's... getting as high 80% per month, and the death rate there was at all time highs.

    People tend to die when they can't eat.

    Or now we have M4A, but the data is very clear on this - US suburban hospitals can't survive on M4A pay rates. They would close down. So one of two things has to happen... doctors have to be paid less (resulting in fewer high quality doctors) or more expensive care needs to be de-prioritized.

    How about pharma investment in major drugs? Gilead has cured Hep C and nearly cured HIV... they invested billions in research to get us there... they take their profits and - yes, pay their shareholders - but also invest in new therapy... currently working on trying to cure Hep B and NASH. If Warren and Sanders have their way, they can't have any profits. Say goodbye to amazing new innovative cures.

    Our current debt is at $70K per US household... it's not slowing down... but as the socialists want to take more and more control over the economy by stealing more and more from future generations, where is the path out for folks who have not yet been born?

    What about all the people who can no longer protect themselves getting raped or killed because we need to disarm the citizenry?

    Sen Warren wants to have the government track every single asset from every single American... I can't imagine where that could go wrong...

    Finally, you can dismiss and mock the warning story from our neighbors down south. But Sen Sanders' proposal are a direct match of those of Cuba and Venezuela. And he even praised them this very decade saying America would be better if we were more like them.

    You can't just shoe those examples away bc it makes your preferred policies look like garbage. It's disarming the citizens. It's state controlled energy. It's state controlled education. It's state controlled health care. It forces people to give up their liberty in favor of the state. If it was such a great idea, it wouldn't need to be forced on us

    The reality is that socialism has led to the deaths of 100 million people at least. You can deny this or scoff at it, or say it can't happen here... but that is the reality. It's an economic system that forces people to give up their liberty to the state, and if they don't - they are punished. And when they are so hungry that they try to revolt, they are killed. Pardon me if I don't want to put my blind faith that our government - the one that assassinated a US citizen this decade. Why is that every policy advocated from the left is either a) banning or censoring something, or b) taking control of something.

    Ultimately - if any economy goes to **** - there are serious life-altering consequences. I firmly believe the policies that Warren and Sanders want would guarantee this to happen. And that's the best case scenario.


    is this the part where i type YMMV?

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    I need the racist police to tell me if this is racism or not and whether I should be outraged and boycott all donators of Biden!


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    "If ever a time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin. It is a very great mistake to imagine that the object of loyalty is the authority and interest of one individual man, however dignified by the applause or enriched by the success of popular actions.” Samuel Adams

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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    I need the racist police to tell me if this is racism or not and whether I should be outraged and boycott all donators of Biden!


    Yes we all should. No I didnt watch the video. Just say NO to "status quo" Joe.
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    Since no victim wanted to meet him

    He made a recently orphaned child come back to the hospital for his photo op for his propaganda film

    He made a ****ing political ad video and made this about him

    He is seriously the bowels of the human species.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krgrecw View Post
    What do you know about this guy and his story?
    You and the white supremacist are pathetic
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    Quote Originally Posted by Julio3000 View Post
    So sturg is going to vote for Trump if Sanders or Warren gets the nomination because “socialism kills people.”

    So let’s just say that one of those two gets elected in 2020. Let’s further stipulate that the Senate goes Democratic, so they’ll have at least a couple of years to enact a legislative agenda. Let’s assume they get a big chunk of their policy wishlist: some form of universal single-payer healthcare, student loan debt forgiveness, free public college tuition, family leave, early childhood education, etc.

    Ok, who’s gonna die? Certainly, fewer of those who are currently dying from preventable illness because of lack of access to care or needed medication. Where is the socialist death toll going to come from?
    Love it

    But it seems from his posts

    socialists are going to do all that and then take the guns from people and kill everyone who doesn’t want what you just typed out

    It’s totally logical man if you don’t think about it at all
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    You dont remember when Obama confiscated guns. It's almost like Democrat Presidents are only socialist when in office or seeking office. Once they leave it was never socialism, but the next one is definitely a socialist.
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    This man on the microphone must be a Democrat if you listen to our board favorite supremacist

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    I saw El Presidente mention a news network One America News Network in a tweet where he throws a hissy fit that Shepard Smith said White Nationalists were a problem in America. So I decided to check it out.







    This is going to be some great comedy. Poor convicted criminal thinks that people think he is a piece of **** only because he was mislabeled as a convicted felon by some in the media. I wonder if they will cover this case when its laughed out of court.
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    Quote Originally Posted by goldfly View Post
    I wonder how 'innocent' her father was. Maybe she should be crying because her father was a criminal.

    But of course, all you silly leftists know is emotion. All arguments are devoid of facts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by goldfly View Post
    You and the white supremacist are pathetic
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    Quote Originally Posted by 57Brave View Post
    Oh, you think that was staged?
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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    If you commit a crime as a non-citizen then you should be deported.

    Not sure why American citizens should have to bear the burden of another countries citizen.
    He essentially was a citizen, even if it he wasn't technically legal. He had been here since he was 6 months old. The US is the only country he had ever known. Culturally, was as much American as you or me. You are really going to treat him like an illegal alien because of a technicality?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carp View Post
    He essentially was a citizen, even if it he wasn't technically legal. He had been here since he was 6 months old. The US is the only country he had ever known. Culturally, was as much American as you or me. You are really going to treat him like an illegal alien because of a technicality?
    I am treating him like an illegal alien because we have laws.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carp View Post
    He essentially was a citizen, even if it he wasn't technically legal. He had been here since he was 6 months old. The US is the only country he had ever known. Culturally, was as much American as you or me. You are really going to treat him like an illegal alien because of a technicality?
    What is your definition of an illegal alien?

    You can’t let emotions get in the way of facts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    I am treating him like an illegal alien because we have laws.
    You mean like don't kill people. Because Trump decided to pardon a murderer and you've defended that. Or how about Obstruction of Justice? You don't seem to have a problem with that one.

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