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    I mean, your boy Trump promised that, correct?

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    I don't believe health care is a right. That difference in ideology will never allow us to come to an agreement.
    Ok, if you'll forgive me for bringing it back to the personal… if you're too rich for Medicaid and too poor to afford market rate insurance, **** you if your kid gets a brain tumor? **** you if you have a pre-existing condition? **** you if your lifetime maximum exceeds the cap on your ****ty insurance? Good to know.

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    I've had a preexisting condition since I was 8.

    Pre ACA I was paying 120 a month. After ACA I'm at $47 and $8 for dental. Now I'm quite aware that someone's premiums probably increased when mine went down. My speciality doctor charges $200 an hour ( I see him for 15 minutes and have to pay the hour amount) and my meds are almost $200 every 3 months just to have a normal quality of living.

    Because GA State blocked Medicaid expansion there's people in similar or worse off position than i that make too much for Medicaid or not enough to afford ACA.

    It sucks that I had to spend as much as I did just to have a normal functioning body and still do now. If we couldn't get single payer I wanted a public option.
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    I don't see how politics should play into any of this. Policy I could see an argument.

    As a crude question though...wouldn't the world be better off if more people died for population reasons?

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    I don't see how politics should play into any of this. Policy I could see an argument.

    As a crude question though...wouldn't the world be better off if more people died for population reasons?
    To add on to the crudeness, I believe that's why @Dalyn and I have been Pro-Choice. People are complaining about social welfare now. If we had more babies being born with parents that can't afford them the system would be even more handicapped.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Forever Fredi View Post
    To add on to the crudeness, I believe that's why @Dalyn and I have been Pro-Choice. People are complaining about social welfare now. If we had more babies being born with parents that can't afford them the system would be even more handicapped.
    I've heard that argument and think it has merit.

    I'm not a pro life person. I would just never want to be involved in a situation where an abortion was done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    I don't see how politics should play into any of this. Policy I could see an argument.

    As a crude question though...wouldn't the world be better off if more people died for population reasons?
    Sure. Life unworthy of life. Euthanize them. That's an idea that's been validated by western history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Julio3000 View Post
    Sure. Life unworthy of life. Euthanize them. That's an idea that's been validated by western history.
    I'm not euthanizing them. Nature is
    Warm feelings guy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    I'm not euthanizing them. Nature is
    Sehr gut, herr Doktor.

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    Is there a place I can find thethe talking about abortion so I can see him side by side to the rubbish he is spewing right now?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Julio3000 View Post
    Ok, if you'll forgive me for bringing it back to the personal… if you're too rich for Medicaid and too poor to afford market rate insurance, **** you if your kid gets a brain tumor? **** you if you have a pre-existing condition? **** you if your lifetime maximum exceeds the cap on your ****ty insurance? Good to know.
    You played the anecdotal card here, but I'm curious of your answer to the original question. Is health care a right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Julio3000 View Post
    Seriously, y'all. Just say it. If you don't want more, less affluent people to have access to health care in preference to wealthier people having slightly cheaper--but still escalating--health care costs, just say it. That's what the status quo ante was. If that's what you want, just own it.
    Quality is irrelevant for everyone?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Julio3000 View Post
    My family is fine. We have resources that mean that we aren't going to be on the streets. But that's because we're, I mean Ms. Julio and myself, fortunate enough to come from affluent families who are going to make sure that we aren't eating out of dumpsters because we can't pay our bills. That being said, I have a perspective that includes folks who aren't as lucky as I am. Someone in my position who wasn't in the lucky sperm club like me would be doomed.
    Good to know that you put your family first before those who are less fortunate. You certainly have that right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goldfly View Post
    Is there a place I can find thethe talking about abortion so I can see him side by side to the rubbish he is spewing right now?

    You cant see the difference between someome dying of cancer and a baby dying from sticking a rod in its head?
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    Quote Originally Posted by weso1 View Post
    Is health care a right?
    Do you find that the right to good health is basically American?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Julio3000 View Post
    Sehr gut, herr Doktor.
    Last edited by Hawk; 02-24-2017 at 01:01 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cajunrevenge View Post
    You cant see the difference between someome dying of cancer and a baby dying from sticking a rod in its head?
    you must not be seeing what he is writing and thus not understanding the point

    but it's ok

    now, if you know where he has posted on the question i asked, i would appreciate it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Forever Fredi View Post
    Now I'm quite aware that someone's premiums probably increased when mine went down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawk View Post
    Do you find that the right to good health is basically American?
    The right to seek good health care? I don't think that's necessarily American.

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    Quote Originally Posted by weso1 View Post
    The right to seek good health care? I don't think that's necessarily American.
    No, I mean, in general ... do you think that good health is something that our society generally provides for?

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