The Trump Presidency

[Oklahomahawk]

The only one which really matters....

Well at least you'll admit it. That's the first step I suppose.

[sturg33]

I do laugh at the left mocking Trump for the initial claim...

Now that more info has come out that it actually may have happened, they're mocking him bc "well duh"

[Julio3000]

I do laugh at the left mocking Trump for the initial claim...

Now that more info has come out that it actually may have happened, they're mocking him bc "well duh"

You're using the same standard of evidence that you apply to Russian interference in the election, I trust.

[57Brave]

Yes, it speaks volumes alright. The problem is, it speaks totally different kinds of volumes. To Dems it says "Fox is nuts anyway so...." to the Repubs it says "Fox always tells us the truth (sort of) so this too much be true". How much do you think actual real evidence means to either party? Whatever comes up it'll get filed into either the "True Dat" file or the "Fake News" file depending on who sees it and without much regard IMO for whether or not it really is the truth.

I think it speaks volumes because only Fox is pushing the story.
Kinda like only they pushed birther-ism and Obama vacations and "Crooked Hillary"
Pelosi airplane , Clinton Scandal du jour. Huma laptop
etc etc etc etc

Give me a call when NYT WaPO Guardian or even better McCaltchy gives it any space worthwhile

Let me ask this.
Candiate (A) stands up on national TV and asks a foreign actor - not just any foreign actor - to tap the phones of candidate (B)

Should that not raise the eyebrows of National Security?
I mean ...

Yet, local posters have no trouble with an organization with no accountability , Wikleaks randomly tapping the phones and emails of anyone they chose ?
Guessing here it depends on which color shirt is exposed.

Lastly, Trump claimed Obama ordered the wiretaps. Which is where "the left" laughs at Trump
Obama never ordered the wire taps.
Presidents don't "order" wiretaps.

At least up to now
i

[sturg33]

I contend still that if there is meaningful evidence that Trump was colluding with Putin in some fashion, that would be a problem and we'd need to address it. Since you're 100% certain this is the case, I'm sure you can produce that evidence

[Julio3000]

I contend still that if there is meaningful evidence that Trump was colluding with Putin in some fashion, that would be a problem and we'd need to address it. Since you're 100% certain this is the case, I'm sure you can produce that evidence

No, I'm talking about your many statements that there's no evidence that Russia attempted to interfere in the election.

[Oklahomahawk]

I think it speaks volumes because only Fox is pushing the story.
Kinda like only they pushed birther-ism and Obama vacations and "Crooked Hillary"
Pelosi airplane , Clinton Scandal du jour. Huma laptop
etc etc etc etc

Give me a call when NYT WaPO Guardian or even better McCaltchy gives it any space worthwhile

Let me ask this.
Candiate (A) stands up on national TV and asks a foreign actor - not just any foreign actor - to tap the phones of candidate (B)

Should that not raise the eyebrows of National Security?
I mean ...

Yet, local posters have no trouble with an organization with no accountability , Wikleaks randomly tapping the phones and emails of anyone they chose ?
Guessing here it depends on which color shirt is exposed.

Lastly, Trump claimed Obama ordered the wiretaps. Which is where "the left" laughs at Trump
Obama never ordered the wire taps.
Presidents don't "order" wiretaps.

At least up to now
i

I actually don't have a problem with Fox "pushing" those stories or "supposed stories". My problem with it is that it's always one way or one sided. they push all things anti-Dem but if something comes up that's anti-Repub they usually either don't cover it, or just cover bits and pieces of it and with about 10% of the fury with which they cover the other side of things. Fair and balanced is absolute BS. Nobody wants fair and balanced, they only want "my side is in the right and what I already thought was true IS true". Any network that is truly fair and balanced couldn't stay on the air because they'd go bankrupt because way too many Americans are just as closed minded as German citizens were in 1940, they just don't realize it, of course neither did those German citizens in 1940.

[57Brave]

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...istory/283149/


from 2014
......................

My problem with Fox,National Review etc is they begin with a premise then find arguments to support their thesis.
Not so sure that happens the other way -- or let me put it this way -- if it does it was a necessary reaction to the pointed views of tortured Nixon-Buckley-Reagan ites.
Herbert Hoover ... ?

I have been reading and interested in the blacklists of the late 1940's - 1950's
And the birth of far right popularity
Fox News sticks out like a sore thumb.

Going back 10 years Colbert nailed it "reality has a liberal bent"
The fight over ACA for example. My guess is with out the cover of Fox many many of our posters here would never think of yanking health care from people.
Let alone deny science.

Science tells people that the money machine is killing our air and water.
Fox speaks for the money machine.
Always has, always will -- ergo, science is bogus.
Evolution is bogus because it flies in the face of strict/literal biblical interpretation.
Evolution is part of science ergo science is bogus

See how this goes ?

No one started with the premise that Trump had Russian connections.
Paul Manafort brought that to our attention, reporters doing leg work uncovered Russian Connection.

According to the both sides do-it people --- MSNBC would have had to have had a meeting and said, Trump is a Russian agent-- let's run with it....

Is that what you people think ?


Hearst reportedly replied, “Please remain. You furnish the pictures and I’ll furnish the war.”

http://www.iancfriedman.com/?p=29

[thethe]

The only one which really matters....

Fox is just as evil as the rest of them. I jut happen to agree with more of what fox reports on.

[thethe]

I do laugh at the left mocking Trump for the initial claim...

Now that more info has come out that it actually may have happened, they're mocking him bc "well duh"

And all that reporting from when Trump tweeted that will never be withdrawn. Trump obviously had intelligence he couldn't share because with every passing day it'd becoming clearer that the Obama administration spied on trump.

[thethe]

I actually don't have a problem with Fox "pushing" those stories or "supposed stories". My problem with it is that it's always one way or one sided. they push all things anti-Dem but if something comes up that's anti-Repub they usually either don't cover it, or just cover bits and pieces of it and with about 10% of the fury with which they cover the other side of things. Fair and balanced is absolute BS. Nobody wants fair and balanced, they only want "my side is in the right and what I already thought was true IS true". Any network that is truly fair and balanced couldn't stay on the air because they'd go bankrupt because way too many Americans are just as closed minded as German citizens were in 1940, they just don't realize it, of course neither did those German citizens in 1940.

I disagree that fox doesn't cover negative R or Trump stories.

[57Brave]

Mikel Jollett‏Verified account @Mikel_Jollett 26m26 minutes ago

Mikel Jollett Retweeted Michael Tackett

Right now Democrats are fighting to save the health care of Trump voters who are online calling them snowflakes and cucks.

[57Brave]

I disagree that fox doesn't cover negative R or Trump stories.

geez

[57Brave]

Matthew Yglesias‏Verified account @mattyglesias 4m4 minutes ago

I’m gonna reup my theory of the Trump/Russia connection.





I am open to a counter explanation.
There have been none.

[Hawk]

geez

He's right. Fox has been a very different network post-Ailes.

[57Brave]

I no longer watch cable news
Please explain

[Hawk]

Americans are just as closed minded as German citizens were in 1940, they just don't realize it, of course neither did those German citizens in 1940.

What's our Alsace? What's our Versailles Treaty?

Sanctuary cities? NAFTA?

I've seen this comparison made a great deal since election day, but it's inaccurate - both historically and sociologically.

Not all nationalism is Nazism.

[Hawk]

I no longer watch cable news
Please explain

It's kind of like a herd without a shepherd. Still very conservative in programming - but no real clear agenda.

I don't tune in much either, and when I do it's usually on SiriusXM, but I heard them tear into both Trump and Congressional Republicans on the day it was announced the GOP health care bill failed.

That never would have happened under Ailes.

[thethe]

geez

You make a comment like this and in a post no later then a couple of posts down say you don't watch cable news. So why make the comment if you don't know?

[57Brave]

we have been living in a Republican Civil War since 1992.
Beginning with Bush41 vs Pat Buchanan

And which wing of the GOP do/did they side with ?
Let me guess --- the Hannities won