The Trump Presidency

[57Brave]

Minority Leader meets publicly with Head of state

What is your point?


I mean you were trying to make a point--- right?

[Hawk]

There's no way if we forced Assad out that Syria would have remained stable.

So, at the risk of instability, you are content with allowing the worst humanitarian crisis in your lifetime to spawn and continue unabated? Got it.

I'm just curious. How would you classify 2017 Syria on your stability scale?

I also think a move on Syria decreases our chances of striking the Iran deal.

Hmm. You are on to something here.

Blaming Obama for the Arab spring is crazy. If he had gotten his hands dirty in Egypt things would have gotten ugly.

Things did get ugly in Egypt. A couple of different times, actually.

i just don't see how the neocons continue to think more and more ground troops is going to solve these problems. We may be in Iraq and Afghanistan forever at this point.

Well, we're in Japan and Korea ... that's not inherently bad.

Same question I posed to Julio: What's your alternative?

[Hawk]

Minority Leader meets publicly with Head of state

What is your point?


I mean you were trying to make a point--- right?

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/17920536/n...m-meets-assad/

Bush has said Pelosi’s trip signals that the Assad government is part of the international mainstream when it is not. The United States says Syria allows Iraqi Sunni insurgents to operate from its territory, backs the Hezbollah and Hamas militant groups and is trying to destabilize the Lebanese government. Syria denies the allegations.

Democrats have argued that the United States should engage its top rivals in the Mideast — Iran and Syria — to make headway in easing crises in Iraq, Lebanon and the Israeli-Arab peace process.

Further proof that progressives don't know their ass from their mouth when it comes to foreign policy.

Bushie was right.

How does it feel to hear that?

[57Brave]

If memory serves Bush's State Department signed off on the meet.Then criticized it in real time.
Straddling ... hedging bets ?

To paraphrase: Bush drove the car in the ditch then stood on the side complaining others weren't pushing hard enough.

Using Bush circa 2000's as your Middle Eastern standard is a bit of a stretch.

Wouldn't you agree?

[57Brave]

The same strategy seems to be paying off with Iran.

Of course you disagree

[Hawk]

If funding terrorists (using American money) and arresting/imprisoning American citizens is considered a net positive then, yes, I do disagree.

[Hawk]

If memory serves Bush's State Department signed off on the meet.Then criticized it in real time.
Straddling ... hedging bets ?

To paraphrase: Bush drove the car in the ditch then stood on the side complaining others weren't pushing hard enough.

Using Bush circa 2000's as your Middle Eastern standard is a bit of a stretch.

Wouldn't you agree?

Pelosi, Kerry, Clinton, Obama ... all wrong about Assad.

I'm sensing a trend.

[thethe]

263k jobs added in march. Most in 2 years. Crazy how much impact optimism has.

[57Brave]

Pelosi, Kerry, Clinton, Obama ... all wrong about Assad.

I'm sensing a trend.

let me ask -- what was the alternative.

I prefer diplomacy to armed confrontation ---- was that your solution ?

As long as we get to go back ----- we didn't invade and occupy Iraq under false pretenses
and reek havoc in this " pottery barn"

[sturg33]

263k jobs added in march. Most in 2 years. Crazy how much impact optimism has.

I think anyone who denies the positive sentiment from the business community is just completely blind to reality.

But still, Trump has to deliver, and so far he's done nothing

[57Brave]

263k jobs added in march. Most in 2 years. Crazy how much impact optimism has.

Trying to keep a scorecard here

Syrian problem - 70 word statement
30 condemning Assad
40 condemning Obama

Positive jobs report after 2 months ---- all Trump

Is that right?

One more thing before I go ---- how does one quantify "optimism" to data, so we can assign credit or blame. Is it the same method
used to chart "personal responsibility" ?

What parking lot do you guys find these cute little catch phrases

[thethe]

Trying to keep a scorecard here

Syrian problem - 70 word statement
30 condemning Assad
40 condemning Obama

Positive jobs report after 2 months ---- all Trump

Is that right?

One more thing before I go ---- how does one quantify "optimism" to data, so we can assign credit or blame. Is it the same method
used to chart "personal responsibility" ?

What parking lot do you guys find these cute little catch phrases

I guess you don't read any financial news. Not that I would expect you to but it's my business field and I'm expected to be aware of these developments.

[57Brave]

I think anyone who denies the positive sentiment from the business community is just completely blind to reality.

But still, Trump has to deliver, and so far he's done nothing

How do you drink water without it getting all over your shirt ?

[thethe]

I think anyone who denies the positive sentiment from the business community is just completely blind to reality.

But still, Trump has to deliver, and so far he's done nothing

Agreed. Need tax cuts by the end if the year at the latest.

[57Brave]

I guess you don't read any financial news. Not that I would expect you to but it's my business field and I'm expected to be aware of these developments.

that doesn't tell me anything --- isn't "optimism" a subjective term that gets bent and skewed to meet the speakers need ?

Sturg just said Trump hasn't done anything.
Haven't jobs been trending upwards for the past number of years?

[thethe]

that doesn't tell me anything --- isn't "optimism" a subjective term that gets bent and skewed to meet the speakers need ?

Sturg just said Trump hasn't done anything.
Hasn't jobs been trending upwards for the past number of years?

Before I respond I just want to say I think you know exactly what this means but I digress.

Optimism is a result of the business owners confidence that the current administration is going to create a business environment that is more conducive to growth and profit. This is accomplished through tax reform as well as lightened business regulation. The rollback of Dodd Frank (at least portions of it) would be a great step to take as it would allow smaller financial houses to thrive and not be trampled under the ridiculous costs of compliance. This generates more competition which creates more jobs at higher wages.

At this point its all perception based on campaign promises made. The optimism will wear if nothing gets done. Trump has to act and I believe he will.

[sturg33]

there are many many consumer confidence reports that measure this every year... they are all at multi-year highs. Manufacturing sentiment is at a multi-decade high.

There are tons of reports on this stuff.

...you can look it up

[thethe]

there are many many consumer confidence reports that measure this every year... they are all at multi-year highs. Manufacturing sentiment is at a multi-decade high.

There are tons of reports on this stuff.

...you can look it up

These reports aren't included in his bubble. Therefore, they aren't real.

[57Brave]

Before I respond I just want to say I think you know exactly what this means but I digress.

Optimism is a result of the business owners confidence that the current administration is going to create a business environment that is more conducive to growth and profit. This is accomplished through tax reform as well as lightened business regulation. The rollback of Dodd Frank (at least portions of it) would be a great step to take as it would allow smaller financial houses to thrive and not be trampled under the ridiculous costs of compliance. This generates more competition which creates more jobs at higher wages.

At this point its all perception based on campaign promises made. The optimism will wear if nothing gets done. Trump has to act and I believe he will.

your point seems to be adopt conservative policies and conservatives will then grant "optimism"

What you defined is Reagan Era Trickle Down Economics. Proven to be an unmitigated disaster.
The term Social Darwinism comes to mind

[Runnin]

263k jobs added in march. Most in 2 years. Crazy how much impact optimism has.

You are right. Believing that is crazy.