The Trump Presidency

[57Brave]

We haven't even gotten to squashing Michelle Obama's initiative.
I really can't wait for a Trumpian on board to at least acknowledge the train wreck developing.
100 days. 1/3 of 1/4 of this misadventure
but hey, at least he doesn't take the advise of Colin Powell
and the hits just keep on comin

WASHINGTON ― President Donald Trump has appointed Teresa Manning, an anti-abortion activist who has argued that “contraception doesn’t work,” to oversee a federal family planning program for low-income Americans.

[Garmel]

I mean in Obama's defense, he was addressing primarily Asian delegations when he said it. Trump wasn't addressing Andrew Jackson's family or even Tennesseans. He was just making a blusterous comparison to one of the most famous presidents.

Anyway, to address the gun vs. book thing, it was an anecdotal point he was making. If you read the comment it was clear he was pontificating. Not really believing it to be 100% true.

Trump is just flat out lying or ignorant. Andrew Jackson owned slaves. As president he placated the south who was butthurt that abolitionists were mailing out anti-slavery tracts and let local postmasters determine what to do with them instead of handling it federally which is what the USPS is. All Jackson would have done is the same thing his successors did, punt the ball for the next guy to handle. End result being a country that's attacking itself. Because of people like Jackson.

Enough of the Obama spin. Good grief. Anyway, Jackson did avert a Civil War in 1832. Perhaps his skills could have avoided the one in the 1860s. Probably not but not out of the realm of possibilities. That's what Trump was referring to. Btw, the reason why everybody kicked the can is because they knew what would happen, which would be a Civil War. Lincoln had the courage and did the right thing but look at the cost.

[57Brave]

Isn't the term "spin" a relic from the Bill O'Reilly Era ?

If you disagree with Z's assessment say so and back it up
Don't be a "snowflake" reverting to wink and nod terms

[Garmel]

Isn't the term "spin" a relic from the Bill O'Reilly Era ?

If you disagree with Z's assessment say so and back it up
Don't be a "snowflake"

No. Being an old guy you should know that word has existed for a long time.

[57Brave]

Being an "old guy" ?

Watch it

2016 the term carries a totally different connotation -- and you know that

[mqt]

Just lol at asking why there had to be a Civil War. Slaves, Donny. The answer is slaves.

[57Brave]

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Tom Bonier Retweeted The Hill

Trump donated his presidential salary, while at the same time quietly pocketing 2.5x as much directly from donors.


Trump reelection campaign has paid $274K in rent to Trump Tower:



He's actually making much more money - the Secret Service pays him rent to protect his family, and even pay for golf carts at his resorts.

wait til Andrew Jackson hears about this

[cajunrevenge]

Just lol at asking why there had to be a Civil War. Slaves, Donny. The answer is slaves.

Quick, name all the countries with slavery that required a civil war to end it.

[Oklahomahawk]

Oh Jeez, not another "what really caused the Civil War" question. I don't even trust most southerners to answer that question correctly, I certainly don't trust most northerners to answer it correctly, I definitely don't trust most Yankees to know how to answer it correctly, and I sure as hell don't trust any Yankee politicians to know how to answer it correctly, if at all!!!

[mqt]

Oh Jeez, not another "what really caused the Civil War" question. I don't even trust most southerners to answer that question correctly, I certainly don't trust most northerners to answer it correctly, I definitely don't trust most Yankees to know how to answer it correctly, and I sure as hell don't trust any Yankee politicians to know how to answer it correctly, if at all!!!

Pro tip: it wasn't about state's rights, unless it was the right to own slaves.

[zitothebrave]

Enough of the Obama spin. Good grief. Anyway, Jackson did avert a Civil War in 1832. Perhaps his skills could have avoided the one in the 1860s. Probably not but not out of the realm of possibilities. That's what Trump was referring to. Btw, the reason why everybody kicked the can is because they knew what would happen, which would be a Civil War. Lincoln had the courage and did the right thing but look at the cost.

Jackson didn't avert civil war in 1932. He actually said after the Nullification crisis that slavery would likely result in dissolution of the union. Or would be the next pretext may be the proper wording, but I digress. He wouldn't have really diverted the civil war, just if he was lucky, he would have just moved it back further. Slavery was what drove the Civil War.

[mqt]

Quick, name all the countries with slavery that required a civil war to end it.

I feel like the US was a somewhat extraordinary case given the vastly different climates and economies.

[Oklahomahawk]

Pro tip: it wasn't about state's rights, unless it was the right to own slaves.

I guess that depends on who the Pro is, but yes there is truth in what you say, it just isn't the whole story.

[mqt]

I guess that depends on who the Pro is, but yes there is truth in what you say, it just isn't the whole story.

It's a pretty good chunk of the story, though. Surely there were tensions between the North and South that went beyond owning human beings en masse and it's not like the North was some pure place built around abolition, but the debate over the expansion of slavery was pretty much the defining issue that led to the war.

[zitothebrave]

Quick, name all the countries with slavery that required a civil war to end it.

IIRC the Caribbean slavery was commonly dissolved by revolution. So yeah. ALso Britain ending slavery and pressuring other nations to end it played a huge part.

Slavery was the reason for the revolution, and it mainly was because of southern indignity. Brazil ended slavery around a similar time, but they let it go because slavery was basically just a social status thing. And they weren't quite as dumb.

[zitothebrave]

I guess that depends on who the Pro is, but yes there is truth in what you say, it just isn't the whole story.

No, but it's the main reason.

Georgia's reason for succession starts

"The people of Georgia having dissolved their political connection with the Government of the United States of America, present to their confederates and the world the causes which have led to the separation. For the last ten years we have had numerous and serious causes of complaint against our non-slave-holding confederate States with reference to the subject of African slavery."

[cajunrevenge]

Pro tip: it wasn't about state's rights, unless it was the right to own slaves.

Yes, it was largely about the right to own slaves. The state's claimed the right to do whatever they saw fit and the federal government said no. It was just the slavery issue that caused enough tension to cause the war. Even if the South won slavery would not have lasted anyways. It would have just morphed into a different form of slavery like we have today in America. Now we just make arbitrary laws and strictly enforce them on the people least able to defend themselves and call them criminals to justify their enslavement.

[BedellBrave]

The South didn't phase out slavery because in great part the theologians of note were too embedded in the status quo. Of the greatest theologians of the day, the South could boast of 4 (Thornwell, Dabney, Girardeau, and Palmer) - yet, instead of challenging the institution they defended it. The South needed a Newton and a Wilberforce....

[cajunrevenge]

You mean to tell me religion can be used to justify any evil act?

[Krgrecw]

Oh Jeez, not another "what really caused the Civil War" question. I don't even trust most southerners to answer that question correctly, I certainly don't trust most northerners to answer it correctly, I definitely don't trust most Yankees to know how to answer it correctly, and I sure as hell don't trust any Yankee politicians to know how to answer it correctly, if at all!!!

Wasnt the north sold on the idea that the civil war was about States rights and months after the war began, Lincoln said the war was about slavery? The north revolted and went ape**** because they didn't agree with slavery but they didn't want to die for it.