The Trump Presidency

[sturg33]

Teresa May calling for Internet regulations...

The biggest threat to our freedom is our own government, not a foreign enemy

[thethe]

Teresa May calling for Internet regulations...

The biggest threat to our freedom is our own government, not a foreign enemy

Much more sensibe methods to attack this enemy.

[Runnin]

Much more sensibe methods to attack this enemy.

The sensible thing would be to stop calling it terror. That word causes more harm to society than the killings themselves.

[57Brave]

Going back to 9/11 - I still think that should have been treated as a police issue rather than a military/diplomatic issue.
Had it been treated as a crime rather than an act of war we could have avoided an awful lot of BS.
The 1993 bombing was treated as just that and largely forgotten today

I was and still am opposed to going into Afghanistan after binLaden.
thought it was knee jerk and elevated the act by turning the perpetrators into martyrs rather than common criminals

[thethe]

Going back to 9/11 - I still think that should have been treated as a police issue rather than a military/diplomatic issue.
Had it been treated as a crime rather than an act of war we could have avoided an awful lot of BS.
The 1993 bombing was treated as just that and largely forgotten today

I was and still am opposed to going into Afghanistan after binLaden.
thought it was knee jerk and elevated the act by turning the perpetrators into martyrs rather than common criminals

Criminals do not have the network of support that terrorists have. I find it so amusing that the left is willing to die on the cross over this issue. You will lose in the court of public opinion.

[57Brave]

What does this have to do with "the left ..."

The notion of networks reinforces, no, is my point

Court of public opinion ?
9/11 and invasion were over 15 years ago.

[jpx7]

I can't think of a more virtue signaling cause than the Paris Accord.

I am very much pro-environmentalism. Climate change is real. The global community should be united. Etc. etc.

The problem with the Paris Accord is that every nation made one unrealistic commitment after another they weren't going to meet (with no mechanism to hold them to it) and the US was at the forefront of that (all except China, India, Pakistan, etc. who basically said "yeah, reduce carbon emission. sure, eventually I guess").

Virtue-signaling isn't always a bad thing. While I agree about the extent of its enforcement mechanisms, and while I don't think the measures of the Paris Agreement are nearly sufficient (and so I suppose you could argue it's a detrimental pact if too many cosigners treat it as such), I don't think it's trivial that essentially the whole planet got together and admitted it has a problem. And so the sort of virtues that leaving the Paris Agreement signals, on behalf of the US, are even more detrimental to the cause than an imperfect first-step.

[jpx7]

Nicaragua isn't in it cause they don't think it does enough

I totally agree—but it's a baby-step, and I think it's pretty significant that essentially the entire globe coalesced around a step in the right direction, insufficient as it might be.

[57Brave]

https://twitter.com/i/moments/871846883081179136

RUSSIAN MILITARY INTELLIGENCE executed a cyberattack on at least one U.S. voting software supplier and sent spear-phishing emails to more than 100 local election officials just days before last November’s presidential election, according to a highly classified intelligence report obtained by The Intercept.

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017...ion#view-story

[57Brave]

Reports today that Kushners interest in secretly meeting with Russians was to secure a loan to bail out a real estate investment gone bad.

I don't have the link ---- let's see

[sturg33]

Oh... so we believe the Intercept is a credible source now?

Where was that the last 6 months?

[jpx7]

Oh... so we believe the Intercept is a credible source now?

Where was that the last 6 months?

The Intercept is one of the more credible sources out there currently, in my opinion—which is likely why the receive so much scorn from so many ideological angles.

[sturg33]

The Intercept is one of the more credible sources out there currently, in my opinion—which is likely why the receive so much scorn from so many ideological angles.

Oh, I wholeheartedly agree

[sturg33]

Anybody else see the video of CNN staging their news story?

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017...im-protesters/

What a joke the media is.


The sooner it is dead, the sooner we can advance as a society.

[sturg33]

[The Chosen One]

Oh... so we believe the Intercept is a credible source now?

Where was that the last 6 months?

CBS and NBC confirmed the woman that leaked it has been arrested.

[Runnin]

Reports today that Kushners interest in secretly meeting with Russians was to secure a loan to bail out a real estate investment gone bad.

I don't have the link ---- let's see

You must be talking about 666 Fifth Avenue.

Here's a podcast on it from Slate called "Criminal, or Stupid or Criminally Stupid"?

[Runnin]

The Intercept published a post about an NSA report which concludes that Russia tried to hack into the computers of more than 100 U.S. voting officials in November 2016. That's the same Russia to which Trump recently disclosed top-secret Israeli intelligence.

But Putin told Megan Kelly they had nothing to do with it.

[57Brave]

Oh... so we believe the Intercept is a credible source now?

Where was that the last 6 months?

I am impressed by the whistle blower that stood her ground and didn't flee the country in fear of prosecution.

To answer your question, I accept all information and believe little.
If Intercept provides direct quotes and context they are credible. Whether I agree with their all of their conclusions (why) is another matter

[57Brave]

Ronald Klain‏Verified account @RonaldKlain 11h11 hours ago

Fair to condemn the leak. But also fair to ask: Was the admin going to tell us that NSA had proof of Russian hack of voting systems?