There's literally no "literal gun" necessitated by socialism. And I know you think you're dealing in "definitions", but you're simply not: you're providing your understanding of the implications of a system, which is not commensurate with a/the definition of said system.
Any economic ordering of a polity will be coercive to some degree, as whatever form of governance is employed will always include, among its constituents, dissenters to the prevailing institutional system. Democratic systems (which is admittedly a broad swath in terms of actual instantiations) attempt to limit the number of arch-dissenters by including greater shares of the polity in the decision-making; if a polity democratically elects to transition to a socialist system, it's no more coercive than a polity democratically electing to remain under a capitalist system (whatever the precise instantiation).
As the for more specific morality of capitalism versus socialism: you're free to diverge; neither of our moral frameworks are absolute. I personally believe that capitalism (and particularly capitalism sans regulation) is inherently immoral, since I believe—as abovementioned—that capitalism's natural telos is the consolidation of wealth to the holders of wealth, producing a dramatic asymmetry of resources. And I would argue history suggests that I'm not wrong to suppose this. Moreover, as I have said to sturg before, by moral understanding is founded on the belief that it is better to trade some measure of unrestricted liberty (say, the freedom to accumulate massive amounts of wealth; or the freedom to pursue any industry, and the attendant profits, without concern for the negative ramifications to society) for some measure of freedom from want (say, a baseline level of material security for every member of the polity). To this end, I have no qualms in denying material excesses to the few in order to ensure material security for the many—and if the many agree with this position, no "literal gun" is necessary at all for its implementation (assuming you still believe in the overall viability of democratic systems, even a mitigated one such as we have in the United States).
Lastly—and just for shiz&gigs—I'd love for you to demonstrate how one would be "free to create a socialist community within" a capitalist system without being first forced to participate in the capitalist system.
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Ben WiederVerified account @benbwieder 4h4 hours ago
Things Comey can't discuss in open session: Russian dossier, Sessions recusal, Flynn and Russia, alleged Russian back-channel, VEB
This is where the meat is. Or isn't
The best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is to make sure he doesn’t get a gun.
Douchey... but correct
Dalyn (06-08-2017)
Brian SchatzVerified account @brianschatz
Keep careful track of what elected Republicans do over the next few days and weeks. This will define their careers and their legacies.
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Wouldn't that be Amash and Sasse ?
The best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is to make sure he doesn’t get a gun.
So the NY Times was outed as having fake sources. Fantastic press we have in this country.
Except he didn't say what was wrong about it...
Kind of a harrowing picture.
Stockholm, more densely populated than NYC - sturg
Comey seems like a bit of a media whore
NY Times now claiming they can't find their sources so that they can provide a response to Comey testimony. What a joke. No rEason to take any reporting about this administration seriously from that trash.
What the literal ****. Is Corbyn going to pull this out?
Media whore?
Because he didn't roll over for Chump and let him completely compromise the FBI? Comey is an honest public servant who is in the mess because of the filth that is The Donald. He sullies and defiles everything he comes into contact with. (Just look what he has done to you.) The more honest and clean you are to begin with, the more damage he does to you.
This is exactly why good and smart people refuse to work with him. Unfortunately, Comey had no choice. Just doing his job honestly and professionally brings him to this point.
Shame on you for attacking a good man.
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jpx7 (06-08-2017)