The Trump Presidency

[sturg33]

http://www.chopcountry.com/forums/sh...487#post421487

And with that right comes responsibility. When the authorities do not protect the innocent from people abusing that right, which was the case here -- like anything else the void will be filled..

Did you see Amash statements?
Good for him

Amash is the best, most principled, and most consistent politician on the hill. I don't need to pat him on the back for doing what I know he was going to do

[sturg33]

This isn't right or left.

Tax policy, military spending, banking regulation are left and right issues.
And what was the initial issue at Berkley --- same thing ?
A pattern ?

Like I said, I know you refuse to denounce the violence, looting, threats, and setting things on fire. All good, in your weird little head

[57Brave]

Why should I denounce, I am no ones spokesperson --- nor do I support violence looting etc.
But, I do understand it and the frustration from disrespect it wells from

Understanding is not condoning

and like I said, the issue surrounding yesterdays events is not nor should it be a left- right political football .

[57Brave]

Like I said, I know you refuse to denounce the violence, looting, threats, and setting things on fire. All good, in your weird little head

If any good has or will come out of yesterday at least we get to put to bed the fallacy of "whataboutism"
Catch my drift ?

[jpx7]

Not even a leash. It's been created and funded by the left to create a terrorist army to overthrow the country.

lol

[thethe]

lol

I guess you disagree but the funding benefactors are known as is their political ideologies.

[Hawk]

I'm curious, is it a distinction worth making which of these groups he is aligned with.

It is if we want to understand the true motive behind Fields' actions. You alluded to him being indoctrinated up-thread, would it not be useful to know by who and by what means?

To be clear, not every individual who participated in the protest yesterday was a member of a hate group, and the stated reason (the removal of the Robert E. Lee statue) for the protest was legitimate. It spun out of control because local law enforcement was grossly unprepared.

[Hawk]

I'm going to poke here a little bit, but the cries from the usual sources about Trump's refusal to directly blame yesterday's violent events on white supremacy remind me a whole lot of the whining on the other side about Obama's refusal to call out protesters (err... 'dread head beer bottle throwers') in St. Louis, Charlotte, and Baltimore.

[57Brave]

It is if we want to understand the true motive behind Fields' actions. You alluded to him being indoctrinated up-thread, would it not be useful to know by who and by what means?

To be clear, not every individual who participated in the protest yesterday was a member of a hate group, and the stated reason (the removal of the Robert E. Lee statue) for the protest was legitimate. It spun out of control because local law enforcement was grossly unprepared.

really ?

Maybe a little Buzzfeed might go a long way :)

That was like saying the 68 riots weren't over the war but overzealous police

There is always the thing before
the thing.

This riot began long before Friday with Tiki torches.
But, you knew that

[Hawk]

really ?

Maybe a little Buzzfeed might go a long way :)

That was like saying the 68 riots weren't over the war but overzealous police

There is always the thing before
the thing.

This riot began long before Friday with Tiki torches.
But, you knew that

Do you know remember what that thing was?

Remember a little place called Ruby Ridge? Town called Waco?

[57Brave]

what was your opinion of those to events?

Am curious not only yours but others that remember those events

[Hawk]

what was your opinion of those to events?

Am curious not only yours but others that remember those events

I don't have a real opinion on the federal response to either, but I bring them up because those two incidents were rallying cries (and huge membership boosters) for the radical right. They also inspired lunatic fringe actors like Timothy McVeigh and Eric Rudolph. Gave a guy like Pat Buchanan a platform.

After yesterday, history repeating, except now we're apparently comfortable broad-brushing the **** out of all free speech advocates.

[57Brave]

Trying to pick out the antifa






About 200 at Roswell right now, on all 4 corners of the intersection.

[Julio3000]

So you are saying that the agenda of the people who organized the march was to kill "mostly lefty socialists who were marching in protest of the racism, white supremacy and genocidal imagery (lol) of the gathering"?

Funny that you called nsacpi out for pedantry.

So, homes, educate me: what are the goals of neo-nazis and white supremacists?

[Julio3000]

It is if we want to understand the true motive behind Fields' actions. You alluded to him being indoctrinated up-thread, would it not be useful to know by who and by what means?

To be clear, not every individual who participated in the protest yesterday was a member of a hate group, and the stated reason (the removal of the Robert E. Lee statue) for the protest was legitimate.It spun out of control because local law enforcement was grossly unprepared.

Really just not getting this.

[Julio3000]

I'm going to poke here a little bit, but the cries from the usual sources about Trump's refusal to directly blame yesterday's violent events on white supremacy remind me a whole lot of the whining on the other side about Obama's refusal to call out protesters (err... 'dread head beer bottle throwers') in St. Louis, Charlotte, and Baltimore.

Hm. I can think of a couple of reasons why St. Louis/Charlotte/Bmore and Charlottesville are quite different.

Maybe I should have included a qualifier in my dread comment, too. I have an aesthetic prefeference that white peoples not wear dreads, and sometimes it clouds my judgement about antifa and John Jaso.

[Hawk]

Funny that you called nsacpi out for pedantry.

So, homes, educate me: what are the goals of neo-nazis and white supremacists?

Why don't you quit side-stepping and answer my question?

Not to get all sturg here, but I've posed it twice now.

[57Brave]

looking for antifa or this "hate" we hear about











Rikki Klaus‏Verified account @RikkiKlausWSB 2h2 hours ago

(@ABC) "Charlottesville murder suspect's high school history teacher: 'He thought Nazis were pretty cool guys.'"

[Julio3000]

And whoah, Hawk: at what point are swastikas and Roman salutes not genocidal imagery? At what point is anyone claiming nazi ideology not also claiming the symbols of genocide?

[Julio3000]

Why don't you quite side-stepping and answer my question?

Not to get all sturg here, but I've posed it twice now.

Christ. Your question is parsed specifically to avoid my comment, which I don't think is refutable. Killing, maiming, and terrorizing POC, leftists, and political opponents is absolutely aligned with the nazi and white supremacist cause.

Your question is about the organizers of the march, and, frankly, I think it's completely ****ing moot, but I'll answer it anyway, to the best of my ability. I don't know what their goals are, but given that David Duke et al were invited speakers, I feel pretty damned confident in saying that their goal is white supremacy and a white ethno-state, so I wouldn't dial back my original statement, at all. The historical klan was, foremost, an instrument of terror and intimidation. How is this different? How are people who claim the Nazi mantle not on board with blood in the streets?

I'm really surprised, in fact, that you'd object to this reasoning, and that you continue to try to normalize this stuff. Of course, I remember your saying that you thought the alt-right was the future, so perhaps I shouldn't be surprised.