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    You know Comey wasnt involved because they didnt give everyone blanked immunity without requiring information that leads to a criminal prosecution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    Any reason for concern with Comey stating he had no knowledge of wiretapping?
    no. because the question was if trump was wiretapped. and he wasn't. what is so difficult to understand about this. the moron lied to and deceived you. you can stop believing it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Super View Post
    no. because the question was if trump was wiretapped. and he wasn't. what is so difficult to understand about this. the moron lied to and deceived you. you can stop believing it.
    Considering trump owns the tower if any connection's were tapped then his claim easy right. Therefore, if Comey was aware of this then he lied.

    Please show where trump said a specific line was tapped. So instead of being emotional like mostly all hysterical libs are now try to see the corruption that was the Obama administration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    Any reason for concern with Comey stating he had no knowledge of wiretapping?
    I'd like to see a quote that said "I have no knowledge of wiretapping."

    The quote that I have some recollection of his making was to the effect, "There is no evidence that I know of that supports the view that Trump was wiretapped."

    Please correct me if you have more information.
    TRUMP: So Jeff Sessions, Jeff Sessions gave some bad answers.

    MAGGIE HABERMAN: You mean at the hearing?

    TRUMP: Yeah, he gave some answers that were simple questions and should have been simple answers, but they weren’t.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    I'd like to see a quote that said "I have no knowledge of wiretapping."

    The quote that I have some recollection of his making was to the effect, "There is no evidence that I know of that supports the view that Trump was wiretapped."

    Please correct me if you have more information.
    Trump said his wires were tapped at trump tower. He owns all wires. Comey should have known that manafort was being monitored while staying in trump tower.

    Am I thinking about this the wrong way?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Julio3000 View Post
    1. Not sure what you're saying here. Just because you've continued to paint worst-case scenarios about the provenance of the warrant doesn't make it so. You're throwing around words like "critically" and "incautiously," while tossing out speculation that's even less grounded in fact.

    2. The predecessor alternative to FISA was just eavesdropping with zero oversight. So yeah, better.

    3. Ok, fair enough. It's an interesting application of Occam's razor, though, to say that his contacts are easily explained away but not that the same circumstances (extensive connections to the oligarchy, willingness to operate off the books and in the legal grey, money problems) make him appear a reasonable locus of suspicion.
    1. All I've done, repeatedly, is state that the bar for a FISA warrant is incredibly high. You still seem to think that the warrant was based on "contacts with foreign intelligence assets". Stating that a FISA warrant requires more direct evidence is not painting a worst case scenario. Attempting to extract clarity about the warrant from one of the few areas of the secret court that we actually know anything about is not speculating.

    2. You think there is oversight AFTER the warrant is issued? Lol. Look at you all trusting the NSA.

    3. I've never said that we shouldn't be suspicious of Manafort. You see the circumstances as as indemnifying. I see them as potentially extenuating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Julio3000 View Post
    What you're saying, Hawk, is that the top people at both the FBI and the DOJ signed off on a spurious warrant based on innocent conversations with foreign intelligence agents, so that the Obama White House could peruse the Trump campaign's playbook.

    This is what you have said, while throwing around words like "incautious" and "uncritical."
    No, that is not what I'm saying or what I've said. I've tip-toed around it, I've insinuated it, and I've pondered it, but the basis for my argument is not predicated on the belief that the previous administration acted nefariously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    Considering trump owns the tower if any connection's were tapped then his claim easy right.
    This.

    All day and all night.

    If any line in Trump's building was wiretapped (especially if his campaign manager's office lines were included) then his claim is unequivocally vindicated here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    Trump said his wires were tapped at trump tower. He owns all wires. Comey should have known that manafort was being monitored while staying in trump tower.

    Am I thinking about this the wrong way?
    To my mind there is a difference between Trump and Trump Tower. Trump Tower is yuge, more like a small village. I believe that when a wiretap permit is given for someone like Manafort, it would apply to his apartment and that communications emanating from nearby aparments would not be covered by such a permit. Perhaps I am mistaken in this.
    TRUMP: So Jeff Sessions, Jeff Sessions gave some bad answers.

    MAGGIE HABERMAN: You mean at the hearing?

    TRUMP: Yeah, he gave some answers that were simple questions and should have been simple answers, but they weren’t.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawk View Post
    This.

    All day and all night.

    If any line in Trump's building was wiretapped (especially if his campaign manager's office lines were included) then his claim is unequivocally vindicated here.
    I think Trump is capable of understanding the distinction between himself and another resident in his building and that his claim referred to the former.
    TRUMP: So Jeff Sessions, Jeff Sessions gave some bad answers.

    MAGGIE HABERMAN: You mean at the hearing?

    TRUMP: Yeah, he gave some answers that were simple questions and should have been simple answers, but they weren’t.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    I think Trump is capable of understanding the distinction between himself and another resident in his building and that his claim referred to the former.
    But hi claim is that the Trump tower wires were tapped. 'His' wires. I don't see how it's a stretch to say that manafort wires at trump are also trumps.

    Therefore, Comey either don't know this operation was taking place or willfully lied to congress. Neither is good and each have a large damaging back story that the American people deserve to know.

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