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    Quote Originally Posted by Dalyn View Post
    Is #6 for real (I'm serious)? I can't tell if you're joking or not. I think my sarcasm app is offline.

    Anyway, would enjoy #1 and #5. I can see #1 happening, though I'm worried it'll happen on a level that is downright scary (registering and such). Kaine playing a role was our best chance at #5.
    When it comes to what I view as extreme aspects like transgender bathrooms then I'm 100% serious. I would have been looked at as socially liberal 8 years ago. None of those core views have changed so why would I not be considered socially liberal now?
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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    When it comes to what I view as extreme aspects like transgender bathrooms then I'm 100% serious. I would have been looked at as socially liberal 8 years ago. None of those core views have changed so why would I not be considered socially liberal now?
    Okay. Just checking.

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    In 2016, I used a public bathroom maybe twice (not counting when I was a bartender at the LOCKN' festival). I suppose that's one reason I think the whole thing is silly and not even close to extreme. I can't fathom why some people care so much. I might not agree with the other side about abortion and religion and population control and **** like that, but I can certainly understand why they care so much about those issues. The bathrooms? Not at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dalyn View Post
    In 2016, I used a public bathroom maybe twice (not counting when I was a bartender at the LOCKN' festival). I suppose that's one reason I think the whole thing is silly and not even close to extreme. I can't fathom why some people care so much. I might not agree with the other side about abortion and religion and population control and **** like that, but I can certainly understand why they care so much about those issues. The bathrooms? Not at all.
    It matters to me because where does it end? I can use your same argument. How many people does this type of legislation actually positively impact? What is the threshold? Whose to say now what is a social injustice. I think some things should be left alone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    It matters to me because where does it end? I can use your same argument. How many people does this type of legislation actually positively impact? What is the threshold? Whose to say now what is a social injustice. I think some things should be left alone.
    Where does it end? Seriously, man, it's a bathroom. Ideally, it ends with the ****ers washing their hands, though that rarely seems to happen. Now THAT would be extreme. And what same argument? I was actually weakening my argument by allowing for the fact that I don't care about public bathrooms, so maybe that's why I think the whole thing is ridiculous. I don't know. People care about the silliest ****, in my opinion.

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    You've got to admit, you put public bathrooms on a list that included education and what is probably the biggest threat to our immediate future (religion). You also had other issues on there that, while we probably disagree regarding them, are undeniably important. Bathrooms. That's why I thought you were joking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dalyn View Post
    You've got to admit, you put public bathrooms on a list that included education and what is probably the biggest threat to our immediate future (religion). You also had other issues on there that, while we probably disagree regarding them, are undeniably important. Bathrooms. That's why I thought you were joking.
    It's on a lost of things I'd like to see done. I never claimed its an important issue. I should have put education higher on that listing but education is also a ersonal decision so despite what you change that's up to the individual.

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    Anyway...Trump. Speaking of thinking someone was joking. We've ALL made fun of this guy on here at one point or another. Now he's going to be president. What a strange world. This is like an episode of Black Mirror where, instead of the politician, all the viewers are required to **** a pig.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    It's on a lost of things I'd like to see done. I never claimed its an important issue. I should have put education higher on that listing but education is also a ersonal decision so despite what you change that's up to the individual.
    Oh, okay. That's cool. I misunderstood the list. I don't care about bathrooms enough to argue. lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    As long as the following items are addressed, specifically 1/2/3, I will consider my support and vote well worth it:

    1) Stronger stance against Islamic Terrorism - We all know how I feel on the matter. The West is incredibly naive what this threat is not only in the present but even moreso in the future. The route we heading to under Obama was simply not acceptable. This is a LARGE group, yes a large one despite what the skeptics say, that just want Western Civilization to crumble. We need to vigilant, assertive and show more resolve in order to push the enemy back. Obama has been an utter disaster of a President and specifically his foreign policy. He will go down in infamy for the rest of time when he called ISIS the JV team. What this administration just did to Israel is a disgrace. Nobody knows the threat and the evil that is Radical Islam better than Israel. And now there are reports that the US orchestrated this whole vote but then abstained. Sounds right up Obamas alley. Its a joke what has happened under his watch and every single American citizen should be cursing Obama for what mess he has left the next generation.

    2) Create an environment that encourages AMERICAN business to grow domestically - I'm sick of the outsourcing. This isn't a selfish sentiment either as I am fortunate enough where I'm in a profession which hasn't suffered all that much outsourcing. However, we need jobs back (even menial ones) for American citizens. If that means a 25k per year customer service position out in Wyoming then great. That 25k is better here than it is in India. Once the corporate tax rate is lowered to 15% (probably the very first thing Trump does) these jobs will come back. It also will be a nice advertising ploy for these companies as the world sentiment is against globalization. 'Buy here - we hire Americans!' I am a top-down guy and believe that only through these tactics will real wealth be back in America. I don't care for the globalists in this world that take money from the middle class and put them in their pockets.

    3) Secure our borders / Toughen up on Immigration - This goes a lot with point 1 because I think its a national security risk. Sure, I wouldn't mind seeing some illegal Mexicans/Salvadorians/etc... get shipped back home but the intelligence has already specified that Islamic Groups are using our sourthern border to infiltrate our country. It needs to be locked up ASAP and give power to the border agents to do their job. There are many stories that have surfaced in the last 6 months about men who have been repeatedly deported for crimes and are never processed correctly and stay in the country. This is outrageous. A country is defined by its borders and there is nothing racist/xenophobic/Islamaphobic/etc.. about it. I will say that I worry about what deporting too many Hispanics fromt he country will do. OVerwhelming majority are productive and help the rest of the country. I think whats going to end up happening is the following: a) Violent criminals are deported b) Wall will be built c) Amnesty talks will start on existing illegals in the country (and I think that isn't necessarily a bad thing).

    4) Infrastructure Plan - Let's spend some money on getting our country up to date with modern building techniques. A good way to get Americans back to work hopefully and maybe Trump could actually help cut waste doing such a large project where he is familiar with a lot of the players and plays.

    5) Radically change the education system - Our schools are a disaster. This is another factor that leads to the racial/economic divide in this country. Majority of bad schools, at least here in NY, are in minority areas. That severely disadvantages them when they get into the working world. My preference is to privatize all education but that endeavor is just too difficult to accomplish. For now I would be happy with letting local jurisdictions (even more granular than the state level) decide how the youth will be educated. Of course oversight will be required to ensure that minimum standards are being used as a guideline. Most importantly though we need to hold students/parents/administrations accountable. Too much is laid on the feet of our teachers. Their jobs are incredibly difficult and are given no support to properly discipline their students.

    6) Social Justice needs to be scaled back - Do I need to say more? Enough of transgender bathrooms.

    I'm sure I missed some but these are some of the things I'm looking to get done the next 4 and hopefully 8 years.

    You might (or might not I guess) be surprised as how many of these I agree with.

    #1: Totally agree, but I am not crazy about how W did it during his 8 years or how Obama has done it the past 8. I get the points of both, but I think we can do better. We HAVE to get more of the world to go along with us though. We can't do it all by ourselves and we need to put a LOT more emphasis on the intelligence side of things first, then move on to what we do to them after we find them and hopefully before they kill more innocent people. Definitely on board with the concept though.
    #2: Totally agree again, though I think you may be being a little naive about the corporate tax thing. Since so few of the big boys actually pay it now is lowering it really going to get them to pay it now that they're figured out how to cheat? Still agree with the notion as outsourcing of American jobs is one of my 2 biggest pet peeves.
    #3: Agree again, though to be honest, I'm not convinced a wall is really going to do the trick, regardless of who ends up paying for it. Still something we have to do in the age of terrorism, especially with nukes possibly floating around out there.
    #4: I may agree more on this on than any of them. I thought this was Obama's first really big mistake as president, to use all that money for a "stimulus" and not put any to speak of into infrastructure. This is absolutely necessary and should create lots of jobs.
    #5: This sounds like one of my rants except for one thing. I agree that the dept of education is pretty effed up a lot of the time, but local districts and parents having too much say is what has led to the kids running the schools and the administrators giving bj's to parents and kids alike. Rule #1 in education you must have discipline and right now there ain't much.
    #6: Agree again, though I'm not sure about the specifics of this. The extreme stuff like bathrooms for everyone typically comes from when those in charge not taking care of business right to start with, then the pendulum swings too far the other direction. I think a lot more libs agree on this more than you might think.

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    I think we should all be worried about the Russia connection, not because Trump might give Putin the nuclear codes, even though anything is possible, but because Trump is so unpredictable and easily takes offense. I think it's just a matter of time before the honeymoon of this marriage turns ugly.

    What do these two really want from each other? And what is the CIA and NSA thinking about all this? If we'll all still alive to read them there are gonna be some great books written about this history we are witnessing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cajunrevenge View Post
    I would take Obama over Bush.
    I wonder what Bush's legacy would look like if 9/11 hadn't changed our world.

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    My girlfriend's sister is at Brown... and now when they introduce themselves to their classmates, they are instructed to also include the desire pronouns to be referred to.

    So she introduced herself as "Sarah - she, her"

    ..........

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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    My girlfriend's sister is at Brown... and now when they introduce themselves to their classmates, they are instructed to also include the desire pronouns to be referred to.

    So she introduced herself as "Sarah - she, her"

    ..........
    I am fine with people doing this. Right away when they introduce themself to me I would know that they are not someone I want to socialize with and I can gtfo.


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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    My girlfriend's sister is at Brown... and now when they introduce themselves to their classmates, they are instructed to also include the desire pronouns to be referred to.

    So she introduced herself as "Sarah - she, her"

    ..........
    I live in Providence right now, and all I can say is that I'm not surprised. No offense at all to your GF's sister, but a majority of Brown students would eat dog**** if their academic overlords told them it was what the cool kids over in Cambridge were doing. Silver-spooned automatons incapable of escaping traditional Northeastern academic groupthink.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dalyn View Post
    Where does it end? Seriously, man, it's a bathroom. Ideally, it ends with the ****ers washing their hands, though that rarely seems to happen. Now THAT would be extreme. And what same argument? I was actually weakening my argument by allowing for the fact that I don't care about public bathrooms, so maybe that's why I think the whole thing is ridiculous. I don't know. People care about the silliest ****, in my opinion.
    Men obviously don't care who they use the bathroom with, but you don't understand why tween girls to young women might be a bit concerned if any man is suddenly legally allowed to use the same bathroom? It's pretty reasonable to have a law to only allow those who truly have gender dysphoria use whatever bathroom fits their disorder.

    With that in mind, when it comes to the issue of social justice, the trans bathroom laws are way down the list of importance. Social justice is a major issue, but it mostly has to do with the general concept rather than trying to figure out how to work with those who have mental disabilities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cajunrevenge View Post
    I am fine with people doing this. Right away when they introduce themself to me I would know that they are not someone I want to socialize with and I can gtfo.


    If I was hiring and someone said that **** I would release the hounds on them, the ones with bees in their mouths and when they bark they shoot bees at you.
    Always appreciate a good Simpson's reference. :)

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    Is it me or is this poser wearing Tapate's sweater ?

    http://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/02/op...stan.html?_r=0




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    Today Trump threatens blogger that called him a liar.
    Pelosi called him a coward

    This will get interesting.
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    Maybe he should just place the blogger on "investigative hold" until he confesses to a crime. All the **** your worried Trump will do is already happening.
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