The Trump Presidency

[Julio3000]

Breitbart is going all in defending Moore.

[sturg33]

Not related to Moore specifically, but in general are we at the point now where we auto-assume allegations are true when it comes to sexual mis-conduct?

Seems like an easy way to take down people we don't like

[bravesnumberone]

Not related to Moore specifically, but in general are we at the point now where we auto-assume allegations are true when it comes to sexual mis-conduct?

Seems like an easy way to take down people we don't like

I get what you're saying and believe people need to be able to prove it.

That said, it would not shock me one bit. History is filled with these so-called Christians saying one thing and doing another.

[Hawk]

I'm always somewhat wary of allegations that are made in concert.

[The Chosen One]

Not related to Moore specifically, but in general are we at the point now where we auto-assume allegations are true when it comes to sexual mis-conduct?

Seems like an easy way to take down people we don't like

I dont think the WaPo would have run a story like this without fact checking. I’ll also be interested to see if Moore will sue.

I also will say the more women come out the better. Need to rid Hollywood and Washington of these people.

[goldfly]

Breitbart is going all in defending Moore.

It isn't that far of a stretch for them. They already employed Milo who enordesed ****ing kids and they support Nazis

[sturg33]

Milo who enordesed ****ing kids

he did?

and they support Nazis

they do?

[The Chosen One]

Hannity never fails to be an idiot.

[jpx7]

For me it's very simple. I don't want any more Jeff Flake/John McCain/Susan Collins type Rs. Ever. But I prefer even them over the Elizabeth Warren/Cory Booker/John Kerry types. So I vote for the things I want in the primary, and usually against the things I don't want in the general elections.

I get the Warren thing, but Booker and Kerry are pretty centrist Democrats, so what's the beef there (relative to other Ds)?

Also: why do you hate the great forty-eighth State of Arizona?

[goldfly]

This year the GOP has defended:
��Grabbing a vagina without consent
��Making fun of disabled
��Ridiculing a Gold Star family & calling a recent widow a liar
��Treason/collusion
��Perjury
��Stripping 30M of healthcare for tax breaks
��CHILD MOLESTATION

[Coredor]

I get the Warren thing, but Booker and Kerry are pretty centrist Democrats, so what's the beef there (relative to other Ds)?

Also: why do you hate the great forty-eighth State of Arizona?

You know that when a party nominates moderates it might get crossover votes. I’m a Democrat but I certainly fear having a socialist or progressive candidate from the left. If one were to get nominated and the Republicans nominated someone along the lines of John Kasich I might vote for them. I suspect I’m not the only one. There is an argument to be made for voting for more electable candidates in the primaries even if you’re to the left or right of them.

[jpx7]

You know that when a party nominates moderates it might get crossover votes. I’m a Democrat but I certainly fear having a socialist or progressive candidate from the left. If one were to get nominated and the Republicans nominated someone along the lines of John Kasich I might vote for them. I suspect I’m not the only one. There is an argument to be made for voting for more electable candidates in the primaries even if you’re to the left or right of them.

I'm not sure there is a good argument, given that electability is a post-hoc designation, these days. Trump wasn't electable until he was elected; while the only third-millennium Presidential outcomes that have gone in the Ds favor has been when they nominated someone (Obama), who at the outset of the primaries seemed pretty unelectable.

As a socialist, I fear the nomination of another milquetoast nominal leftist with neoliberal tendencies (looking at you, Booker).

[goldfly]

A meaningful % of my party are insisting nothing is real in a carefully research story with four on the record statements from victims.

In related news, a meaningful % of my party believed Hillary Clinton was part of a child cannibalism and sex ring in a pizza restaurant .

This defense of Roy Moore from AL state Auditor Jim Ziegler:

"Take Joseph and Mary. Mary was a teenager and Joseph was an adult carpenter. They became parents of Jesus.”

After a long pause, Alabama Bibb County Republican chairman Jerry Pow tells me he'd vote for Roy Moore even if Moore did commit a sex crime against a girl.

"I would vote for Judge Moore because I wouldn't want to vote for Doug"

Top Alabama Republican responds to Moore allegations: I'd trust Putin over Washington Post

the sad state of the GOP

[57Brave]

Joe DiSano
��‏ @JoeDiSano
26m26 minutes ago

Remember when being anti-kid toucher was a bipartisan position? Let’s get back to that. Nothing was perfect but at least we could agree on that simple point.

[57Brave]

Robert Maguire‏Verified account @RobertMaguire_

Less than 4 months after shedding 340 employees, the Carrier plant in Indianapolis Trump once promised to save is shedding an additional 215 employees http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017...d-to-save.html …


Ronald Klain‏Verified account @RonaldKlain
10h10 hours ago



Trump didn't deliver on US steel for keystone, didn't deliver on infrastructure, didn't deliver on Carrier jobs. His is a presidency of broken promises for working people.

[Jaw]

I get the Warren thing, but Booker and Kerry are pretty centrist Democrats, so what's the beef there (relative to other Ds)?

Also: why do you hate the great forty-eighth State of Arizona?

Centrist? I guess everything is relative. 'Centrist Democrat' today has a much different meaning than it did prior to the demise of the bluedogs.

Regardless, I was just lazily naming the first three D senators I could think of.


I love Arizona. I just think they have terrible taste in senators. Probably due to the heat.

[57Brave]

As a Trump supporter Jaw what is your stance on the thought that giving Trump a free pass on predatory sexual behavior has given an electoral free pass to any and all (R) ?
Provided they are all in on tax cuts. Or, not from Arizona

Because that appears to be the case
.........

you did vote for Trump knowing full well he had the cloud of sexual predation over him, right ?
Tax cuts and deregulation are that important ?

[Jaw]

Hmm, I can't say I had noticed that. Can you list all the Rs that you are thinking of that have been given an electoral free pass since Trump was elected?

[57Brave]

seeing how we are one year and one election in I would first think of Moore I would also point to misogynistic behavior that cost a number of down ballot (R) their spots.

But that wasn't the question

[57Brave]

Let me go one step further.

My guess and past history as my guide you and 5-10 others here would vote for Moore rather than Jones the prosecutor that rooted out the 1960's bombers of the Birmingham church -- is that an accurate assumption.

For tax cuts ?