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    Now Rubio is publicly posturing on the tax bill.

    I really hope Republicans botch this as a result of hubristic ineptitude.

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    I think they're going to get it done simply because it's nut-cutting time and they can't afford not to, but they seem to be doing their damndest to screw it up...and to make it even less palatable to the public.

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    looking forward to hearing how repealing net neutrality is good for a majority of americans. let's hear it.
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    looking forward to hearing how repealing net neutrality is good for a majority of americans. let's hear it.
    Be prepared to go to your grave without knowing.

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    Laurence Tribe‏Verified account @tribelaw
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    Laurence Tribe Retweeted Doug Hanna

    Chuck Grassley pulling the plug on two totally unqualified judicial nominees today is a strong sign that Trump’s sway over GOP is in rapid decline. The fear by which he rules is fizzling.
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    net neutrality is another move by the trump admin to empower huge corporations. but muh free market!!!!
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    hey thethe was sandy hook a hoax?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Julio3000 View Post
    That’s bull****. Rumor is Murdoch’s son will become future ceo of Disney in the deal

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    I'm always going to encourage more competition in a market place and less government regulation. It will be interesting to see if services improve at a cheaper rate. Almost a microcosm as to how we should run the rest of the economy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    I'm always going to encourage more competition in a market place and less government regulation. It will be interesting to see if services improve at a cheaper rate. Almost a microcosm as to how we should run the rest of the economy.
    https://www.theatlantic.com/technolo...initel/530646/

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    Consider a farmers market. If a city builds and runs one, it must let all types of legal goods to be sold there for the infrastructure to provide maximum value. If citizens can only buy tomatoes and oranges, but not kale nor lettuce, then the value of the market is limited. The same is true of computer networks: If an internet service provider does not let content providers freely access the infrastructure that the user has rented (through a cable or cellphone subscription), the value of the internet as a whole becomes depleted.

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    I'll have to read more about it but what's to stop ore service providers from entering the market?

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    I'm always going to encourage more competition in a market place and less government regulation. It will be interesting to see if services improve at a cheaper rate. Almost a microcosm as to how we should run the rest of the economy.
    The way it looks to me, ISPs have very little incentive to offer better services at cheaper rates, because most markets offer little choice. So this appears as more an opportunity for rent-seeking than competition.

    The results may not be as bad as critics have speculated, but I just don't see what the upside is (for consumers, anyway).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Julio3000 View Post
    The way it looks to me, ISPs have very little incentive to offer better services at cheaper rates, because most markets offer little choice. So this appears as more an opportunity for rent-seeking than competition.

    The results may not be as bad as critics have speculated, but I just don't see what the upside is (for consumers, anyway).
    If it encourages more ISPs to enter the market then the consumers will receive more services at cheaper costs. At least that is what I believe in all economic instances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Julio3000 View Post
    The way it looks to me, ISPs have very little incentive to offer better services at cheaper rates, because most markets offer little choice. So this appears as more an opportunity for rent-seeking than competition.

    The results may not be as bad as critics have speculated, but I just don't see what the upside is (for consumers, anyway).
    The reaction (emotion) to this decision has been stunning, even by the left's usual standards .

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    I'm always going to encourage more competition in a market place and less government regulation. It will be interesting to see if services improve at a cheaper rate. Almost a microcosm as to how we should run the rest of the economy.
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    If it encourages more ISPs to enter the market then the consumers will receive more services at cheaper costs. At least that is what I believe in all economic instances.
    Sure, but ISPs can't just snap their fingers and enter a market. There are substantial barriers to entry for new broadband providers that make it impossible or prohibitively expensive to do so. It would take--you guessed it--government intervention at the national, state, and municipal level to make that a reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Julio3000 View Post
    Sure, but ISPs can't just snap their fingers and enter a market. There are substantial barriers to entry for new broadband providers that make it impossible or prohibitively expensive to do so. It would take--you guessed it--government intervention at the national, state, and municipal level to make that a reality.
    I won't claim to be an expert at this but as always an argument with you is creating a desire to learn more.

    My guess is that this new ruling will remove some of these barriers. We will see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Julio3000 View Post
    Sure, but ISPs can't just snap their fingers and enter a market. There are substantial barriers to entry for new broadband providers that make it impossible or prohibitively expensive to do so. It would take--you guessed it--government intervention at the national, state, and municipal level to make that a reality.

    I imagine we are only a few years away from being about to use satellites to access the web and not need isps.

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    The upside for consumers with today’s decision is that the internet landscape doesn’t change all that much. That’s... not very good.

    I think the panic that ISP’s are going to charge you for tweet is pretty asinine, but it’s hard to argue that today is anything but a bad day for consumers.

    My grandpa should be pretty happy though. Can’t imagine the package that includes checking his email for church announcements will cost all that much.

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