The Trump Presidency

[thethe]

not as big of a deal as the non-collusion collusion Russia angle though

Well there's a new twist. Jill stein is the real Putin lackey.

[sturg33]

The delusion continues

[thethe]

So the argument that it's OK to let a proven sexual harasser in Congress is Russia?

Makes sense based on what we've seen out of the left the past 18 months.

[thethe]

How many times did people repeat, 'Dictators bam words'?

Enemy of the people.

[Julio3000]

The delusion continues

There are garbage Russia conspiracy-theorists all over the internets. I'm more than happy to call a spade a spade on that score.

But, er, I'm not exactly feeling your high ground here, considering that your take on Russian interference in the election is similarly whackadoodle.

And thethe, man...you sure you ought to be throwing stones here, considering that your go-to sources for news seem to be Pizzagate/Seth Rich conspiracy weirdos?

Come on, boys. It's not that hard to separate the wheat from the chaff...you just don't seem to want to.

[mqt]

The end game being a fake nuclear deal that we know Iran won't keep? This is a national tragedy.

We don't know that, and by all accounts they are doing so. Again, not trying to actually stand in favor of this situation, but that doesn't strike me as a good reason to oppose it up to now.

[Julio3000]

Well there's a new twist. Jill stein is the real Putin lackey.

That tidbit came from Richard Burr, the Republican chair of the Senate Intel Committee. Take it up with him. Nothing happens on that committee without the support of the majority party.

Russian influence operations in other countries have given us a pretty clear roadmap to how these things work. They amplify and elevate fringe elements in order to sow dissension and chaos. They've done it with far left and far right parties in Europe to varying effect.

There's no question that Jill Stein benefited passively from Russian assistance. Her relationship with RT is enough to answer that question. Quantifying that benefit is probably a fool's errand, and I wouldn't make any representations about there being anything worse than that going on. But there was an obvious effort to undermine Clinton's campaign by trying to peel off Bernie supporters and generally play to the cynicism and disillusionment of the left wrt HRC.

It gets into the realm of conspiracist fabulism to claim to know exactly what happened, and why. But it's (at best) willful ignorance or (at worst) cynical gaslighting to pretend that nothing happened.

[thethe]

There are garbage Russia conspiracy-theorists all over the internets. I'm more than happy to call a spade a spade on that score.

But, er, I'm not exactly feeling your high ground here, considering that your take on Russian interference in the election is similarly whackadoodle.

And thethe, man...you sure you ought to be throwing stones here, considering that your go-to sources for news seem to be Pizzagate/Seth Rich conspiracy weirdos?

Come on, boys. It's not that hard to separate the wheat from the chaff...you just don't seem to want to.

Eh, I never thought pizzagate was real. Seth Rich is real and it's not just far right that believes it.

[thethe]

That tidbit came from Richard Burr, the Republican chair of the Senate Intel Committee. Take it up with him. Nothing happens on that committee without the support of the majority party.

Russian influence operations in other countries have given us a pretty clear roadmap to how these things work. They amplify and elevate fringe elements in order to sow dissension and chaos. They've done it with far left and far right parties in Europe to varying effect.

There's no question that Jill Stein benefited passively from Russian assistance. Her relationship with RT is enough to answer that question. Quantifying that benefit is probably a fool's errand, and I wouldn't make any representations about there being anything worse than that going on. But there was an obvious effort to undermine Clinton's campaign by trying to peel off Bernie supporters and generally play to the cynicism and disillusionment of the left wrt HRC.

It gets into the realm of conspiracist fabulism to claim to know exactly what happened, and why. But it's (at best) willful ignorance or (at worst) cynical gaslighting to pretend that nothing happened.

What's really happening is that the Trump Russia investigation is a big farce so they have to figure out a way to justify all of this nonsense to the American people

[57Brave]

Jamelle Bouie‏Verified account @jbouie
8h8 hours ago

states are ending health insurance programs for children and whole communities are poisoned with

lead but at least rentiers, investors, corporate CEOs, and

the idle rich will enjoy some extra money in their pockets.

love that sound of freedom

[57Brave]

Paul Krugman‏Verified account @paulkrugman
11m11 minutes ago

So, Republicans have passed a wildly unpopular tax plan. Special elections show a huge swing against them in the polls. But hey,

they have a plan to turn public opinion around next year: cut Social Security and Medicare!

[Julio3000]

Eh, I never thought pizzagate was real. Seth Rich is real and it's not just far right that believes it.

But you have no problem posting defenses of Trump from people who did promote Pizzagate.

[Oklahomahawk]

Well there's a new twist. Jill stein is the real Putin lackey.

Wait, I thought she was in the Green Party, not the Red Party?

[Julio3000]

Paul Krugman‏Verified account @paulkrugman
11m11 minutes ago

So, Republicans have passed a wildly unpopular tax plan. Special elections show a huge swing against them in the polls. But hey,

they have a plan to turn public opinion around next year: cut Social Security and Medicare!

There is going to be zero appetite from any Republican not in an entirely safe seat to go after SS/Medicare in an election year.

[thethe]

But you have no problem posting defenses of Trump from people who did promote Pizzagate.

Unless I agree 100% with someone I can't use their logic on other items?

[Julio3000]

Unless I agree 100% with someone I can't use their logic on other items?

Sigh

[thethe]

Sigh

Its an absurd point. Infowars has millions of absurd theories but does that not mean they can have a valid opinion on some items?

I just don't get this idea that we can discount people because they believe things on edge.

[57Brave]

There is going to be zero appetite from any Republican not in an entirely safe seat to go after SS/Medicare in an election year.

I take it you have seen results in Virginia from yesterday. Couple that with Alabama result , yeah

[Jaw]

There is going to be zero appetite from any Republican not in an entirely safe seat to go after SS/Medicare in an election year.

Which is, of course, the problem with writing laws that take money from some people to give it to a much larger group of others. There is no point where it stops being politically expedient, votes are always for sale. And it's never politically viable to stop it. Democracy, two wolves, a sheep, etc.

[thethe]

Trumps statements in regards to the UN today was absolutely perfect. I hope we atop sending money to places like the PLO.