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    WaPo picked up on the strategy as well, for those looking for a more familiar source:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlo...=.cf5a8068d488

    Trump is right, as he tweeted Oct. 1, that “being nice to Rocket Man hasn’t worked in 25 years, why would it work now? Clinton failed, Bush failed, and Obama failed.” Nearly a quarter-century of negotiations with Kim and his father, Kim Jong Il, by both Republican and Democratic administrations have yielded no progress. Since the 1994 Agreed Framework , the Clinton-era pact under which the North was to get fuel oil, food aid and billions of dollars’ worth of civilian nuclear equipment in return for freezing and “eventually” dismantling its plutonium program, North Korea has used its nuclear program as a bargaining chip to gain Western aid. And every time, it has failed to follow through on its pledges to dismantle the program. The last time there was a real chance to talk Pyongyang out of nukes and intercontinental ballistic missiles, some diplomats believe, was then-Secretary of State Madeleine Albright’s October 2000 visit (which I covered as a Newsweek correspondent); in the 17 years since, nothing has worked. The North Koreans will simply not be negotiated out of their weapons program.

    But perhaps Trump is giving Tillerson the ability to persuade North Korea — and just as important, China — that if it doesn’t engage in earnest diplomacy at long last, then the man in the White House could go, well, ballistic.
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    But during the Cold War, with far more lives at stake, the United States engaged in occasional tense brinkmanship with the Soviet Union as a matter of policy when it perceived its vital interests to be threatened, most notably during the Cuban missile crisis. A final round of hastily improvised diplomacy resolved that terrifying standoff (with a quiet deal to trade the withdrawal of U.S. missiles from Turkey for the removal of Soviet missiles from Cuba). But diplomacy arguably worked only because President John F. Kennedy was willing to go to the brink of war — in other words, because Washington was prepared to declare that a missile threat from Cuba was so intolerable that it was ready to preemptively open hostilities. JFK’s stance (even as he secretly negotiated a compromise) altered the global balance of power in a fortnight and led to the Nuclear Test Ban Treaty signed in August 1963.

    We may be at another such juncture now. In the past, when North Korea was far less technologically advanced and therefore less dangerous, even some senior Democratic officials advocated preemptive strikes. In 2006, former and future defense secretaries William Perry and Ashton Carter proposed just that in an op-ed for The Washington Post (at a time when President George W. Bush was failing at diplomacy with Pyongyang). “The United States should immediately make clear its intention to strike and destroy the North Korean Taepodong missile before it can be launched,” they wrote. “. . . A successful Taepodong launch, unopposed by the United States, its intended victim, would only embolden North Korea even further. The result would be more nuclear warheads atop more and more missiles.” That prediction appears to have been vindicated.



    Yep. Someone should have walked out to the playground and smacked the bully in the mouth years ago.
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    I fail to see how threatening a nuclear strike against a country that is contained and has not physically threatened another as progress.
    Some of us remember WMD and the Neo-Cons that lit that fuse.
    More of the same from where I sit

    Which bully are you talking about ?
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    We are now at war in 2 perhaps 3 theaters. We are threatening two more?
    And, just passed massive tax cuts.

    You do understand that an occupation will be necessary ? Which will require a manned army we don't have.
    Or, will it be an AMWAY fought war ?

    Don't be too fast throwing our weight around. Especially behind this asshole --
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    Bess Kalb
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    We're living in an incredible era where we might die

    in a nuclear inferno because a 70-year old basket case whose dad

    never loved him tricked disgruntled white people into voting for

    a fake get-rich scheme by selling hats.

    ......................

    the deeper we get into this administration I discount/ dismiss the opinions of people that rationalize voting for or defending Donald Trump.
    Like the lady above wrote, you fell for a get rich quick scheme.
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    [QUOTE=VirginiaBrave;453663]

    The man is a nut job. And the Republican Congress

    better grow a pair and remove him from office before

    the untinkable happens.

    He has put us all in danger.[/
    QUOTE]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaw View Post
    The smartest Foreign Policy, and specifically North Korea, scholars will tell you that Trump's twitter antics have actually been quite an asset in dealing with the current regime in North Korea. We have had plenty of the typical FoPo wonks swing and miss at getting NK to halt nuclear progress over the past 25 years. This administration is the first to not be laughed at and taken advantage of. While I don't think this strategy would work with many in the international community, it seems perfect for NK.

    We've given the bully detention, suspension, and taken away his lunch money. It hasn't helped. At some point you need someone to walk onto the playground and let the bully know he isn't the only one in the school willing to throw down.

    Austin Bay from Strategy Page explains the deliberate strategy behind all of this here, via The Observer and Real Clear Defense - http://observer.com/2017/08/donald-t...tary-strategy/.

    As an aside, Real Clear Defense is a must scan if you have interest in the current US/Asia happenings. It curates Defense and FoPo articles from a broad ideological spectrum and finds all of the best sources and sharpest minds in those areas.
    But not the smartest ones, apparently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 57Brave View Post
    Bess Kalb
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    We're living in an incredible era where we might die

    in a nuclear inferno because a 70-year old basket case whose dad

    never loved him tricked disgruntled white people into voting for

    a fake get-rich scheme by selling hats.

    ......................

    the deeper we get into this administration I discount/ dismiss the opinions of people that rationalize voting for or defending Donald Trump.
    Like the lady above wrote, you fell for a get rich quick scheme. And, we all know how they end
    Apparently they end with more money in middle class pockets. A booming economy. A severely diminished JV team. POtential democracy in Iran. And a NK that is willing to speak with SK.

    Horrible person!
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    with the promise -- of more money in their pockets ---

    inherited a booming economy

    NK had dialogue as recently as 2 years ago -

    "severely diminished JV team" --- 32% approval and diminished majorities in Congress
    ............

    and no plane crashes
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    Quote Originally Posted by Julio3000 View Post
    But not the smartest ones, apparently.
    Smartest or not, they certainly have been the opposite of successful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 57Brave View Post
    with the promise -- of more money in their pockets ---

    inherited a booming economy

    NK had dialogue as recently as 2 years ago -

    "severely diminished JV team" --- 32% approval and diminished majorities in Congress
    ............

    and no plane crashes
    It's not a promise. It's in the tax code now. Keep up.

    Booming as in 2% GDP. What a stroke of brilliance from Hussein.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaw View Post

    Yep. Someone should have walked out to the playground and smacked the bully in the mouth years ago.
    Why? How many aggressive and destructive foreign policy fiascos has NK entered into in the last 25 years? Whose the bully?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 57Brave View Post
    Bess Kalb
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    We're living in an incredible era where we might die

    in a nuclear inferno because a 70-year old basket case whose dad

    never loved him tricked disgruntled white people into voting for

    a fake get-rich scheme by selling hats.

    ......................
    I mean, I guess one could look at that way. They would need to be really, really willfully ignorant, but one could certainly do it if they tried hard enough.
    Go get him!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Runnin View Post
    Why? How many aggressive and destructive foreign policy fiascos has NK entered into in the last 25 years? Whose the bully?
    I feel like we need to backtrack a bit in order to progress in this conversation. Just so I know, do you agree or disagree that the communist totalitarian regime in NK having nuclear weapons capable of ballistic launch into the continental US is a positive for the security of citizens of the United States?
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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    It's not a promise. It's in the tax code now. Keep up.

    Booming as in 2% GDP. What a stroke of brilliance from Hussein.
    of course it is. Read the projections -- or even just look at the projections.

    you are so short sighted
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    Quote Originally Posted by 57Brave View Post
    of course it is. Read the projections -- or even just look at the projections.

    you are so short sighted
    Oh...projections? Do you know what projections mean?

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    like I said, short sighted
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaw View Post
    I mean, I guess one could look at that way. They would need to be really, really willfully ignorant, but one could certainly do it if they tried hard enough.




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    Quote Originally Posted by 57Brave View Post
    like I said, short sighted
    The guy who assures us the middle class has been gutted because he'd rather read a partisan tweet than understand the data is telling us that who is short sighted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    The guy who assures us the middle class has been gutted because he'd rather read a partisan tweet than understand the data is telling us that who is short sighted.

    Rich
    What does the data tell you about the fortunes the middle quintile over the last few decades, as compared to those of the top?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 57Brave View Post
    NK had dialogue as recently as 2 years ago
    Nope.

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    I honestly think Trump should golf more. This is the result when he's cooped up in the WH.


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