The Trump Presidency

[thethe]

I somehow missed this last night.

Christ, just stop.

How many things are you going to label a conspiracy?

[thethe]

[Julio3000]

Yeah, no. Who's claiming that? I said that the conservative 'strong borders' crowd earned their spot at the table. I didn't say that they should be afforded the loudest voice. Also, FWIW, more people voted for the other candidate, not the other "thing" (whatever that may be.

I confess I don't get this. You've argued that hardliners deserve deference, or whatever, specifically because Trump won the election.

The other candidate actually got more votes, but somehow that's notan indicator that more voters supported her CIR/DACA stance.

It's a tad protean, spades being spades on policy and whatnot.

[mqt]

Illegals over Americans. Dems 2018 campaign slogan.

Didn't 5 Democrats vote yes and 4 Republicans (5, with McConnell's ceremonial vote) vote no last night?

[thethe]

Didn't 5 Democrats vote yes and 4 Republicans (5, with McConnell's ceremonial vote) vote no last night?

I'm always happy when there are votes across party lines. That is how it should be but the overwhelming driver of the shutdown was Dems putting illegals ahead of Americans.

[thethe]

If anything good will come out of this it will be the fact that public sentiment will decrease for DACA. The polling numbers are already worse than are made out to be due to massive oversampling of Dems as proven in the CBS poll. It will be easier and easier to sell to the American people that its just not worth it to have a blanket amnesty bill for these 'Dreamers'. You know all 3.5 mmillion of them and apparently 10+ members of their family because you know chain migration is not a big deal.

[Julio3000]

If anything good will come out of this it will be the fact that public sentiment will decrease for DACA. The polling numbers are already worse than are made out to be due to massive oversampling of Dems as proven in the CBS poll. It will be easier and easier to sell to the American people that its just not worth it to have a blanket amnesty bill for these 'Dreamers'. You know all 3.5 mmillion of them and apparently 10+ members of their family because you know chain migration is not a big deal.

Did I not post about that "oversampling"?

[thethe]

Did I not post about that "oversampling"?

Of course you did - Did I imply that you didn't?

[thethe]

Damn that right wing mouthpiece AP!

[Julio3000]

Of course you did - Did I imply that you didn't?

But you continue to use the "oversampled Democrats" line. Based on one poll. Which oversampled Republicans as well and reflected an accurate split in party ID.

[Julio3000]

How many things are you going to label a conspiracy?

I didn't say it was a conspiracy. Just laughably wrong and thoroughly discredited.

[thethe]

I didn't say it was a conspiracy. Just laughably wrong and thoroughly discredited.

Just like bias at the highest levels of the FBI. Just like soon to be politically corrupt uses of FISA warrants.

You'll see the world for what it is soon enough. But hey - Lets get those 3.5M dreams and their 25+ million family members in here fast because then it won't matter. Everything will be a socialist agenda.

[thethe]

But you continue to use the "oversampled Democrats" line. Based on one poll. Which oversampled Republicans as well and reflected an accurate split in party ID.

And yet that party split somehow never seems to bear itself out in actual presidential election results. While not expecting it to be aligned you would think if such a VAST amount of people identify as D as opposed to R. How do the D's not win the popular vote by margins of 10M plus?

[thethe]

Even CNN whose response population will be overwhelmingly left leaning still assigns the most blame to Senate Democrats.

This will not age well for 2018.

[acesfull86]

Oh no!!!!! Not a government shutdown!!!!!!

[sturg33]

Hopefully Trump won't be as petty as Obama was by trying to make it worse than it actually was

[bravesnumberone]

Lol if you don't think Trump isn't going to do and/or say 100 at a minimum dumb things between now and November. They will work out a deal in the next two weeks. This will be a distant memory by the election.

[bravesnumberone]

Obama was very petty with some of the stuff he did. Not remotely compared to the GOP's constant and numerous threats to a shut down if they wouldn't strip Obamacare of funding. All while never offering any viable alternative.

[mqt]

Even CNN whose response population will be overwhelmingly left leaning still assigns the most blame to Senate Democrats.

This will not age well for 2018.

I'm pretty sure Republicans won this poll 47% to 31%, bro beans.

[thethe]

I'm pretty sure Republicans won this poll 47% to 31%, bro beans.

Thats fair