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    Quote Originally Posted by 50PoundHead View Post
    If you don't think that is part of the problem, I don't know what to say. He better be in awe of the massive responsibilities he has or we are f*cked. This ain't a television show.
    Yeah, I was mid-post writing something similar. Some awe at the magnitude of the job would improve his decision-making process, I'd think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 50PoundHead View Post
    If you don't think that is part of the problem, I don't know what to say. He better be in awe of the massive responsibilities he has or we are f*cked. This ain't a television show.
    Being in awe of something doesn't lead to better performance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    Being in awe of something doesn't lead to better performance.
    The way I see it, Trump's experience is nearly irrelevant. Whatever the biggest deal he's ever made is, he'll be called upon to make decisions on a regular basis that are exponentially greater in size and import. If he isn't a little bit awed by this responsibility, I'm concerned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    Trump has had a lifetime of success, .
    for lords sake, this A+ business success went bankrupt owning gambling casinos.

    " playing with house money"
    .....

    Don't forget he was spotted $1M out of the gate.
    Spot any of us $1M and bet you we'd all be "success' "
    so please, it is insulting to people , of all political stripes , that are up from the boot straps successful referring to this opportunist a success
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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    Being in awe of something doesn't lead to better performance.
    maybe "being awed" is the wrong term -- how about humbled by the responsibility
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    Quote Originally Posted by Julio3000 View Post
    The way I see it, Trump's experience is nearly irrelevant. Whatever the biggest deal he's ever made is, he'll be called upon to make decisions on a regular basis that are exponentially greater in size and import. If he isn't a little bit awed by this responsibility, I'm concerned.
    Trump in that sense then is the most qualified person to ever sit in the presidency (I don't actually believe this). But if the point is to sit down with powerful men around the world and make deals then trump has done this for his whole life basically.

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    He bankrupted a gambling casino !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    That is your definition of who you want making deals

    ?

    You are stuck in what Trump says, look at what Trump does
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    Quote Originally Posted by 57Brave View Post
    He bankrupted a gambling casino !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Because there are so many successful casinos in Atlantic City.

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    Ah, reduced to apologizing for Trump are ya ?


    It won't end well

    read up:
    http://www.phillymag.com/news/2015/0...-city-empire/#
    Last edited by 57Brave; 01-23-2017 at 10:41 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 57Brave View Post
    Ah, reduced to apologizing for Trump are ya ?


    It won't end well

    read up:
    http://www.phillymag.com/news/2015/0...-city-empire/#
    I'd term it an objective presentation of the facts.

    Whatever you want to call it, I'm certain it's more productive than fetishizing over DJT's hands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 50PoundHead View Post
    If you don't think that is part of the problem, I don't know what to say. He better be in awe of the massive responsibilities he has or we are f*cked. This ain't a television show.
    There's a difference between being in awe of something and being intimidated by something. This isn't so much a trial by fire for Trump, or, at least, not as much of one as it clearly was for Obama during his first term. I think that was thethe's point and it's a salient one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    Being in awe of something doesn't lead to better performance.
    It lends the necessary perspective to being effective in one's job. Having a healthy sense of awe and respect is pretty much central to the tasks facing a President.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawk View Post
    There's a difference between being in awe of something and being intimidated by something. This isn't so much a trial by fire for Trump, or, at least, not as much of one as it clearly was for Obama during his first term. I think that was thethe's point and it's a salient one.
    I didn't use the word awe. thethe did. I don't think Obama was intimidated by the task facing him. He dove right in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 50PoundHead View Post
    It lends the necessary perspective to being effective in one's job. Having a healthy sense of awe and respect is pretty much central to the tasks facing a President.
    I have no doubt that Trump understands what's in front of him. He more than any other president understands what it takes to run a large enterprise. He obviously needs to refine other aspects of his leadership and I think that will come with time.

    I'll just disagree that one must be in awe of the job is a prerequisite to success.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawk View Post
    I'd term it an objective presentation of the facts.

    Whatever you want to call it, I'm certain it's more productive than fetishizing over DJT's hands.

    Trump through shoddy deal making and a truck load of hubris ran the casino's into the ground. As reported in some cases before they ever opened a door.

    What subsequently happened in AC is beside the point and further proves Trump had little if any the foresight into the gambling business (or steaks,or airline or The Higher Education business).
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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    . He more than any other president understands what it takes to run a large enterprise.

    .
    But this isn't an "enterprise"

    And he has shown over the years he has little expertise in running anything
    except a short con.
    ....
    this conversation goes back to the campaign and questions of temperament.
    He has taken the oath of office and even his supporters are still questioning his temperament.


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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    I have no doubt that Trump understands what's in front of him. He more than any other president understands what it takes to run a large enterprise. He obviously needs to refine other aspects of his leadership and I think that will come with time.

    I'll just disagree that one must be in awe of the job is a prerequisite to success.
    The United States of America is more than a large enterprise. I am sure he has some skills and will hire some very good people (whom he already seems to be ignoring), but you just don't walk into a room full of powerful people as President and cut a deal. There will always be considerable ramifications outside that room and if one only looks at the Presidency as a succession of deals, I don't think the results will be cohesive and positive in the long run.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 50PoundHead View Post
    The United States of America is more than a large enterprise. I am sure he has some skills and will hire some very good people (whom he already seems to be ignoring), but you just don't walk into a room full of powerful people as President and cut a deal. There will always be considerable ramifications outside that room and if one only looks at the Presidency as a succession of deals, I don't think the results will be cohesive and positive in the long run.
    His number one jib is to get this economy moving and in that sense he will be the most qualified president we've had in a long time.

    I agree there is more but I think his ability to find qualified people and delegate these responsibilities will facilitate success. We all try to fit presidents into this mold and if they are not that type then they can't succeed. I just don't believe that is the case

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post

    I agree there is more but I think his ability to find qualified people
    evidenced by his cabinet selections ?

    An energy secretary that had to wikipedia the department to learn it wasn't about gas and oil but about nuclear ?
    Same secretary mispronounces the main focus of his job/

    His ability to find quality people.
    He flunked that test, too
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    Quote Originally Posted by 57Brave View Post
    evidenced by his cabinet selections ?

    An energy secretary that had to wikipedia the department to learn it wasn't about gas and oil but about nuclear ?
    Same secretary mispronounces the main focus of his job/

    His ability to find quality people.
    He flunked that test, too
    Wasn't that story about not knowing it was involving nuclear retracted?

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