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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawk View Post
    I can't keep track of the things I should be upset about.
    this seems to be a tactic of your boy's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Super View Post
    this seems to be a tactic of your boy's.
    What does this mean?

    That he's creating one problem after another so people forget the problem before?
    Or that he literally can't keep track?

    I've seen both arguments employed, at various intervals, so I'm just curious if anti-Trump nuance is a thing in your headspace?

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    Yeah, that's really it. Even if you buy into the purported MAGA agenda, is it not the least bit troubling that the vehicle for it so thouroughly compromised? That a dude so obviously a crook will surround himself with folks of a similar stripe, with predictable results?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawk View Post
    What does this mean?

    That he's creating one problem after another so people forget the problem before?
    Or that he literally can't keep track?

    I've seen both arguments employed, at various intervals, so I'm just curious if anti-Trump nuance is a thing in your headspace?

    create so much constant chaos that people forget about one thing and move on to the next dumb/harmful thing he says/does.
    it may not be purposeful for him...i think he is genuinely stupid, ignorant, chaotic, and uninterested in learning anything new or changing anything. so maybe this just naturally happens for someone as toxic as he is.

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    Trump is probably the worst human to ever occupy the WH.

    But sadly, his policies have this far beated his predecessors

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    Quote Originally Posted by Julio3000 View Post
    Yeah, that's really it. Even if you buy into the purported MAGA agenda, is it not the least bit troubling that the vehicle for it so thouroughly compromised? That a dude so obviously a crook will surround himself with folks of a similar stripe, with predictable results?
    he's not a crook that's alllllllllll fake news. allllllllllllllll decades worth of claims and evidence. just out to get him. he's a great guy who cares about everybody, definitely not just himself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Julio3000 View Post
    is it not the least bit troubling that the vehicle for it so thouroughly compromised?
    No.

    I feel like this (the whole trump = crook/xenophobe/baby eater) was thoroughly litigated in the primaries, and in the general, and the constant attempts to re-litigate are just petulant and kind of obtuse. Nothing new or compelling has been brought to the table. It's superficial and subjective and boring.

    I don't give a **** that the President's personal attorney had his office raided. And good lucking convincing me that I should (especially given the disparity of information or ... I don't know, charges).

    I've accepted that the machinations of government are imperfect. I'm more interested in results. Now, I'm not going to sit here and tell you that I agree with all of the platforms and the policies. But I am comfortable in asserting that the 'agenda', as it were, has some pretty defined legs. Some respectable and worth letting play out.
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    Just sounds like constant whining from sore losers.

    Let it go and see how this agenda plays out. So far it has looked very good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Super View Post
    create so much constant chaos that people forget about one thing and move on to the next dumb/harmful thing he says/does.
    it may not be purposeful for him...i think he is genuinely stupid, ignorant, chaotic, and uninterested in learning anything new or changing anything. so maybe this just naturally happens for someone as toxic as he is.
    I think it says more about the American people that it does Trump.

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    It's like the usual pundits jacking off all over Trump's "we'll see what happens" remark yesterday.

    Have y'all ever heard of a ****ing idiom?

    I thought 'the memo' was a ploy to oust Rosenstein anyways.

    Whatever happened to that one?

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    Trump's fitness to lead was perhaps the single most ballyhooed issue of the entire campaign season.

    How has he - demonstrably - exemplified an inability to lead (especially in contrast to his predecessors)?

    Because he let Rob Porter work for him?

    Because he hired Paul Manafort to whip delegates?

    I'm not seeing how this translates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawk View Post
    Trump's fitness to lead was perhaps the single most ballyhooed issue of the entire campaign season.

    How has he - demonstrably - exemplified an inability to lead (especially in contrast to his predecessors)?

    Because he let Rob Porter work for him?

    Because he hired Paul Manafort to whip delegates?

    I'm not seeing how this translates.
    Its not as if an election settles questions about his fitness for office once and for all. This is an issue for constant evaluation. And its the case really for any political leader. We all change our minds all the time about various things as we acquire more information.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawk View Post
    It's like the usual pundits jacking off all over Trump's "we'll see what happens" remark yesterday.

    Have y'all ever heard of a ****ing idiom?

    I thought 'the memo' was a ploy to oust Rosenstein anyways.

    Whatever happened to that one?
    blew up in the faces of the people who wrote it
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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    Its not as if an election settles questions about his fitness for office once and for all. This is an issue for constant evaluation. And its the case really for any political leader. We all change our minds all the time about various things as we acquire more information.
    Of course not. And that's why I'm asking for specific examples of actions which demonstrate the President is unfit to lead.

    Review the last few pages of this thread and you'll see references to Trump U, pussy grab-gate, and slum landlording.

    Those issues stopped being relevant to me the day after Trump was elected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawk View Post
    Of course not. And that's why I'm asking for specific examples of actions which demonstrate the President is unfit to lead.
    Asking the head of the FBI to drop an investigation into a criminal matter and then firing him when he declined to do so.

    And I think his comments yesterday where he said the execution of a lawfully obtained search warrant on his lawyer was an attack on America indicates a highly problematic thought process.

    And even though it predates his presidency his comment that a judge of Mexican ancestry could not perform his duty impartially is also highly problematic and not a belief we want in a president.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    Asking the head of the FBI to drop an investigation into a criminal matter and then firing him when he declined to do so.
    Gotta do better.

    Let's talk about policy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    And I think his comments yesterday where he said the execution of a lawfully obtained search warrant on his lawyer was an attack on America indicates a highly problematic thought process.
    That's it?

    A highly problematic thought process ... that we could reduce down to poor word choice?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    And even though it predates his presidency his comment that a judge of Mexican ancestry could not perform his duty impartially is also highly problematic and not a belief we want in a president.
    Did he act on that comment?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawk View Post
    I think it says more about the American people that it does Trump.
    of course it does.
    I think it says more about people that voted for him or continue to support / turn a blind eye toward him.
    I have maintained that stance since the day after the election

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawk View Post
    Did he act on that comment?
    Well he is not in a position to act on that belief. Thank goodness.

    And of course there is the misogyny where there are plenty of instances where he did ACT in a highly problematic way.
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