The Trump Presidency

[nsacpi]

I look at the progress of the of each class over the course of 50 years and see that everybody is doing better and is richer than they were.

Like I said, why do you think it doesn't work? Bc wealth isn't distributed evenly?

Let's suss this out a little:

Measure of progress--are you talking about per capita income adjusted for inflation

class--are you talking about decile or quartile groups in the income distribution

last 50 years--is it your contention that government policy has been trickle down in the last 50 years? all of it? just certain periods? does it matter whether policy was trickle down in some of that period and not trickle down in others?

we had an exchange earlier about being willing to look at the data honestly and changing one's views based upon what the data show. is there any pattern in the data that would cause you to revise your view that trickle down works?

[cajunrevenge]

Napolitano is going to be the nominee.

[cajunrevenge]

https://www.newsobserver.com/opinion...213802934.html



military providing 16 lawyers to help prosecute immigrants.

[goldfly]

Breaking News: GM warned that a new wave of US tariffs could force the company to scale back its business, drive up car prices and cost American jobs.

Lol

[sturg33]

Yep, the protectionist socialist approved tarrifs are definitely bad for business

[Julio3000]

I mean, I fully admit that I'm trolling here, but I hope I'm doing it in service of a loftier goal.

So, sturg, if Americans (per you) are universally better off over the last 50 years (per unspecified measures)...why limit it to 50 years? Are we better off than we were 100 years ago? 150? 200? Surely the answer is yes, right? So is that an argument in favor of big government, the income tax, the military-industrial complex, the welfare state, and all of the socio-economic developments over that time period?

[nsacpi]

I mean, I fully admit that I'm trolling here, but I hope I'm doing it in service of a loftier goal.

So, sturg, if Americans (per you) are universally better off over the last 50 years (per unspecified measures)...why limit it to 50 years? Are we better off than we were 100 years ago? 150? 200? Surely the answer is yes, right? So is that an argument in favor of big government, the income tax, the military-industrial complex, the welfare state, and all of the socio-economic developments over that time period?

50 years ago is 1967...not long after that the rapid productivity growth of the post-war period stopped...leading to much slower income growth...if we wanted to have a serious discussion we could talk about why productivity growth slowed starting in 1970s...it is probably the case that the exceptional growth of the 1950s and 1960s was the anomaly...still leaves open all sorts of constructive discussion about what policy can and can't contribute to faster growth

or we could do this...mumble mumble trickle down...voila

[Julio3000]

Yeah. This is potentially a big, expansive conversation that we're going to boil down to some small and out-of-context data point then call it a day.

[sturg33]

I used the 50 year mark bc most people attribute the trickle down effect starting under Regan

I believe 57 posted a meme once saying how the middle class had been wiped out since then.

[cajunrevenge]

https://www.cato.org/blog/01-border-...ests-are-ms-13


ms-13 make up 0.11% of border patrol arrests and 0.2% are gang members in total. Virtually the same number of arrests as the years before Trump.


I still would love to hear which towns they are liberating from ms-13. Surely there must be some video.

[cajunrevenge]

https://www.aclu.org/news/aclu-obtai...nts-us-custody


ACLU obtained documents showing widespread abuse of migrant kids held in detention from 2009 to 2014.

[goldfly]

Republicans: **** your feelings and political correctness

Also republicans: you should be more civil

[AerchAngel]

Republicans: **** your feelings and political correctness

Also republicans: you should be more civil

Tell that to the blacks about Democrats who steal their votes. Our lives haven't got any better and you have 50 years of correcting the situation but you don't want to because you think we might leave the party.

Talking about being civil, we are still slaves but under different circumstances. I hate that party. At least the Republicans will kiss you before they f*ck you.

[sturg33]

https://www.aclu.org/news/aclu-obtai...nts-us-custody


ACLU obtained documents showing widespread abuse of migrant kids held in detention from 2009 to 2014.

Nobody will care. There will be no marches. It was under Dem leadership, after all

[goldfly]

AA, that reply makes zero sense for what you quoted

[sturg33]

I'm gonna go ahead and blame the person, not the weapon.

And somehow that will make me a racist

[sturg33]

These are always good for a laugh...

[The Chosen One]

I'm gonna go ahead and blame the person, not the weapon.

And somehow that will make me a racist

Thankfully with the knife, he only injured 9.

If he had a gun, whether handgun or semi or whatever we're guaranteed to be looking at an actual death toll.

[57Brave]

These are always good for a laugh...

Trump = America ?
Odd after much protestation you make that connection

[sturg33]

New York Times with an op ed about how free speech favors.conservatives too much and thus should be curbed.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/30/u...eme-court.html

Bit I've been assured there's no pressure from the left on speech