The Trump Presidency

[Jaw]

57, I must say, that link was far and above the sources you normally contribute. Well done, and I mean that sincerely.

[AerchAngel]

Finished up by saying we should negotiate to "make sure" they don't do anymore testing, and (I kid you not) that we should follow the Iran model.

Without any aid, ain't happening.

It is like they are holding us hostage.

[thethe]

Shutdown over - Hopefully no agreement on DACA made.

[thethe]

Looks like no agreement on DACA.

This will be a black mark on the Dems who were just kowtowing to their rabid alt-left base.

[thethe]

Strategy

[Julio3000]

This is certainly not a win for Democrats, but it is also just postponing a reckoning on DACA, which is (despite how you've characterized it) broadly supported and will ultimately be fixed. What's really at issue is the rest of the immigration pieces.

Passing the CR will fund CHIP, so I'm going to look at it as a net positive, and not through a political lens. The Senate will probably pass a compromise bill, and the onus will shift to the House for the next showdown/shutdown debate.

If you're planting the flag on DACA, prepare to be disappointed. If this Congress doesn't in enshrine it, the next one certainly will.

[thethe]

This shutdown is not going to help the public sentiment on DACA.

When the number comes out that its really 3.5M all of a sudden people are going to wonder what is going on here.

[sturg33]

She is a treasure

[thethe]

She is a treasure

Most divisive person in media. Somehow worse than Don Lemon. To actually say that media spin favors Republicans is an absolute joke.

[goldfly]

just taking lying mitch's word they will talk about this. lol

republicans play hardball

democrats play tee ball

[Julio3000]

This shutdown is not going to help the public sentiment on DACA.

When the number comes out that its really 3.5M all of a sudden people are going to wonder what is going on here.

I'd guess that the shutdown will have no appreciable affect on public perception of DACA.

[thethe]

I'd guess that the shutdown will have no appreciable affect on public perception of DACA.

Considering Americans were pissed that the Dems chose to defund the government over illegals I think it will have some sort of impact and when people realize its not 700K people then public opinion will absolutely turn.

[thethe]

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/re...rticle/2646671

[57Brave]

6 years of CHIP funding, a DACA vote promised by McConnell Feb 8.
Should the vote not materialize as promised there will be another shutdown

Am I reading this correctly ?

[Hawk]

I'd guess that the shutdown will have no appreciable affect on public perception of DACA.

I think it's made many more people aware of what exactly it is and who exactly it affects. And that's probably a net positive for both sides of the coin, oddly enough.

[Hawk]

Considering Americans were pissed that the Dems chose to defund the government over illegals I think it will have some sort of impact and when people realize its not 700K people then public opinion will absolutely turn.

I think it's markedly worse that they had only the backbone to stick to their supposed principles for a weekend.

[goldfly]

ICE Agents Hurl Pregnant Immigrant Over Mexican Border To Prevent Birth On U.S. Soil
Today 2:05pm

[thethe]

I think it's markedly worse that they had only the backbone to stick to their supposed principles for a weekend.

Thats because the public was turning on them. People want to 'help' the Dreamers but its not as of a hot button issue that the MSM wants everyone to believe.

[Hawk]

Finished up by saying we should negotiate to "make sure" they don't do anymore testing, and (I kid you not) that we should follow the Iran model.

I mean, I get it, it's a logical position and one that I've heard many times before (including on this forum). But sometimes I wonder if people are living in some sort of parallel dimension where it's normal to pretend that the South Koreans (and, by default, the Americans) haven't already tried exactly that.

The South Korean government paid the North Koreans $100 million dollars for the infamous Kim Jong-Il (DPRK) - Kim DJ (ROK) summit in Pyongyang.

What did that meeting accomplish?

Where did that money go?

I'll give you one guess, 57.

It's worth noting that the Obama administration essentially killed off what was left of the Clinton and Bush 43-era "Sunshine Policy" that supported these kind of carrot-stick machinations, which was a necessary, if not painfully obvious diplomatic step. The problem thereafter, as I see it, is that the Obama state department left the Lee Myung-bak and Park Guen-hye administrations almost entirely to their own devices with respect to North Korea (at an integral historical moment: the 'coronation' of Dear Leader 2.0) and relations between the North and the South subsequently deteriorated to one of the lowest points in post-war history.

If there ever was a moment that the military option might have worked, it would have been 2013/2014.

But I digress.

The Iran model. ****ing idiots.

[Hawk]

Thats because the public was turning on them. People want to 'help' the Dreamers but its not as of a hot button issue that the MSM wants everyone to believe.

I think it is, insofar as it relates to CIR.

I would agree with the idea that DACA (solo) isn't a needle-pusher.