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    Trump now admits he discussed Biden with Ukrainian Pres.

    Stage 1: Deny Deny Deny

    Stage 2: He talked to Ukraine but there was nothing irregular discussed, all normal diplomatic talk.

    Stage 3: Woops you caught me. Ok so I did talk about it with them, so what. It's not even a big deal. Nothing to see here.

    What a familiar pattern this is. Where have we seen 45 play this cycle out before...
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Chosen One View Post
    Trump now admits he discussed Biden with Ukrainian Pres.

    Stage 1: Deny Deny Deny

    Stage 2: He talked to Ukraine but there was nothing irregular discussed, all normal diplomatic talk.

    Stage 3: Woops you caught me. Ok so I did talk about it with them, so what. It's not even a big deal. Nothing to see here.

    What a familiar pattern this is. Where have we seen 45 play this cycle out before...
    nothing to see...keep on walking
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    Interesting Dear Colleague letter from Pelosi.
    "I am a victim, I will tell you. I am a victim."

    "I am your retribution."

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    It would be terribly disheartening for Trump to win again, OTOH every day Trump is President further weakens the GOP and strengthens the Dems. As the GOP has well learned, it's a lot easier to oppose than to lead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Chosen One View Post
    Trump now admits he discussed Biden with Ukrainian Pres.

    Stage 1: Deny Deny Deny

    Stage 2: He talked to Ukraine but there was nothing irregular discussed, all normal diplomatic talk.

    Stage 3: Woops you caught me. Ok so I did talk about it with them, so what. It's not even a big deal. Nothing to see here.

    What a familiar pattern this is. Where have we seen 45 play this cycle out before...
    He lies like an 8 year old, totally oblivious to how obvious it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Runnin View Post
    He lies like an 8 year old, totally oblivious to how obvious it is.
    not like a child...he has a compulsion...it seems obvious to me he has a serious mental illness...the people around him must know it too...I hope some of the GOP will see this Ukrainian thing as a way to ease him out
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    They got to the “sure we did it, so what?” phase with lightning speed this time.

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    No one is saying "No collusion!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Julio3000 View Post
    They got to the “sure we did it, so what?” phase with lightning speed this time.
    I wonder about how many other self-dealing forms of quid pro quo he has struck with other countries while in office
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    I'd like to hear what was actually said

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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    I'd like to hear what was actually said
    the whistleblower's report should be released including to the public...in redacted form if necessary...if it is to form the basis for an article of impeachment the public needs to be able to see what it is all about...and I think the whistleblower should testify publicly as well
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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    the whistleblower's report should be released including to the public...in redacted form if necessary...if it is to form the basis for an article of impeachment the public needs to be able to see what it is all about...and I think the whistleblower should testify publicly as well
    I agree.

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    Bill Weld with some strong words although some will point out that "treason" as defined in the constitution is a war-time crime.

    The word I favor is "betrayal."
    Last edited by nsacpi; 09-23-2019 at 08:26 AM.
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    the refusal to comply with the whistleblower law is a brazen act of obstruction...we've become inured to it but it should not go unremarked

    the Judiciary Committee should vote for an impeachment inquiry specifically related to the actions concerning Ukraine...and request that the whistleblower's report be sent to it...and sue for it if it comes to that

    the Intelligence Committee should sue for it too...although it has a different legal basis for doing so
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    I see David Cross (I'm a fan) jokingly apologized to Nixon on Twitter the other day. I wouldn't go that far (even jokingly) because this whole affair reminds me of Nixon's quote: "Well, when the president does it, that means that it is not illegal." I really think one of Trump's problems is that he still thinks he's in the private sector and there are fewer rules/norms governing competition/behavior in that sphere.

    PS--Thought I would add this as proof that Nixon actually said it.

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    time for this nightmare and stain on the country to end

    bring the articles of impeachment and make republicans go on the record of choosing party over country if so be it
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    Quote Originally Posted by goldfly View Post
    time for this nightmare and stain on the country to end

    bring the articles of impeachment and make republicans go on the record of choosing party over country if so be it
    Let's hope Nancy doesnt put party over country by not doing it

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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    Let's hope Nancy doesnt put party over country by not doing it
    Nancy's caution is derivative.

    definition of derivative from finance: an instrument whose value is based upon the value of an underlying entity

    in this case the underlying entity consists of two things: 1) the chances of the Senate convicting and 2) the reaction of the public

    Nancy is not wrong to take these matters into account. But I think the calculation may be changing.
    Last edited by nsacpi; 09-23-2019 at 09:34 AM.
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