The Trump Presidency

[Julio3000]

So let's do play the "answer my question" game, since you did it with me. Which ones of these 25 groups are good and admirable? Can you post a list for discussion? Can you speak to their judgment and good intentions, appearing at an event whose featured speakers' contribution to the national discourse amounts to jokes about putting Jews in ovens?

[Julio3000]

I lie down with dogs, but I'm mortally offended when you suggest I might have fleas.

[Hawk]

Aren't JOKING about it? So it's OK if they are?

Seriously?

[Hawk]

I lie down with dogs, but I'm mortally offended when you suggest I might have fleas.

Yeah, well, you can't teach an old dog new tricks either it would appear.

[Julio3000]

Seriously?

Um, yeah. You're going to have to explain the joke to me, because I don't get it.

[Julio3000]

Hey, y'all. I'm just a regular old white nationalist and not a nazi. I think that white culture is superior to any other, but I'm not a white supremacist or anything. Just because I choose to march shoulder-to-shoulder with stormfront, therightstuff, the KKK et. al doesn't mean I should be painted with the same brush. PS, sorry about the terrorisms.

[Julio3000]

Wait, pardon me. I'm not even a white nationalist. Just a nationalist who favors strong immigration controls. I'm attracted to a white nationalist show of strength centered around a confederate monument for reasons that have nothing to do with race. I march shoulder-to-shoulder with Nazis and white supremacists, but please don't cast too wide a net.

[Krgrecw]

+1.

I think the true racists are the folks who cater and legit treat someone differently because their skin color (or gender, in another example)

And who always brings up woman and minorities?

[thethe]

And who always brings up woman and minorities?

Dog whistles to get votes but don't actually do anything after receiving the vote.

[Krgrecw]

Dog whistles to get votes but don't actually do anything after receiving the vote.

They do things after they receive thier votes; They got back to thier white neighborhoods and hang out with thier white friends.

[Hawk]

So let's do play the "answer my question" game, since you did it with me. Which ones of these 25 groups are good and admirable? Can you post a list for discussion? Can you speak to their judgment and good intentions, appearing at an event whose featured speakers' contribution to the national discourse amounts to jokes about putting Jews in ovens?

What kind of hackneyed logic is this?

So, because AntiFA, Redneck Revolt, and an assortment of neo-anarchist/communosocialist groups also attended the protest we should wholly dismiss the efforts of the counter protesters?

Now I really don't get it.

I can generally speak to the baseline creed of groups like Proud Boys/FOAK (McInnes) or the Patriot/Constitutional Militia movement (and their various charters), organizations like NSM or alt-lite/alt-right subgroups that don't latch onto the supremacist angle, yeah, absolutely.

But I guess I'm trying to figure out what is going to be accomplished, or rather what you think is going to be accomplished, by going down a list of names/groups, line item, trying to impartially qualify which are 'good' and which are 'admirable' (all the while making bombastic inferences about their intentions because they were at the same protest as Neo-Nazis and Neo-Confederates).

[Hawk]

I'm gonna probably sound very anti my normal beliefs because I generally am pro-civil liberties, but I don't give a **** what happens to neo-nazis. To me they're subhuman. They surrendered their basic civil liberties when they chose to be neo-nazis. Like how the **** can you choose of anyone ever, to idolize the Nazis? In what reality were they not the bad guys? And if you want to be the "bad guy" then you should realize there's consequences for your actions.

To me if you are doing the "roman salute" in public or carrying a nazi flag and someone punches you, you deserve it. There's no other way around it for me.

For non-serious purposes, the Nazis are literally the enemy in thousands of videogames and movies.

Stomp out fascism, stomp out neo-nazis.

I just want to point out here that Fascism and Nazism are not the same thing.

[The Chosen One]

I just want to point out here that Fascism and Nazism are not the same thing.

Well we've seen Nazism implemented before and there was some serious Fascismesque things going on.

[Hawk]

Well we've seen Nazism implemented before and there was some serious Fascismesque things going on.

I'd argue that Nazism was a perversion of Fascism, much like Stalinism was a perversion of Marxism.

At the far end of both sides of the spectrum is totalitarianism and that's historically where it's all gone to ****.

[AerchAngel]

AA, do you think it's enough that I care about your welfare as an American? I couldn't care less that you are black, I don't think we should lower college entrance requirements because of it, provide you a special stipend because of it, try to draw special voter districts because of it, or audit how many people with dark skin work at any given companies. I don't think your skin color is a disability because I have worked with too many people who were really smart and really good at their job and had really dark skin. I guess my point is, do you feel that it's people like me treating you in a racist way, or is it the people who are trying to cater to you specifically based on your skin pigmentation?

I know you don't and that is okay with me. You treat me as your equals and you depend on me to look out for myself and not ask the government to take care of me. You respect me because I respect myself and through hard work and no one giving me anything I am able to make it on my own.

Every person in this country can make it if they want to and shouldn't need help unless they are physically incapable or have a mental disease, not the color of their skin or if they don't have something the Orangutan in charge can grab at will.

No Republican I know of was has been racists toward me, Democrats yeah, I have seen a few and I think it is because I might threaten them and their positions (wanting to keep me down). So I do not know where you think I said that you are/were racist. I just said you just don't care and let us be the best we can without a lot of fluff from the other side.

[AerchAngel]

They do things after they receive thier votes; They got back to thier white neighborhoods and hang out with thier white friends.

Yep, they are for blacks this and that but when comes the time to stick their nose into our cultural issues (responsibility, education, pride, respect), they turned their heads. Then have a little reminder for us with that welfare carrot when it comes voting day.

Drives me up the wall.

[Jaw]

So I do not know where you think I said that you are/were racist.

I never thought you had, I was looking for your take on identity politics because I knew it would be an honest opinion.

[Julio3000]

What kind of hackneyed logic is this?

So, because AntiFA, Redneck Revolt, and an assortment of neo-anarchist/communosocialist groups also attended the protest we should wholly dismiss the efforts of the counter protesters?

Now I really don't get it.

I can generally speak to the baseline creed of groups like Proud Boys/FOAK (McInnes) or the Patriot/Constitutional Militia movement (and their various charters), organizations like NSM or alt-lite/alt-right subgroups that don't latch onto the supremacist angle, yeah, absolutely.

But I guess I'm trying to figure out what is going to be accomplished, or rather what you think is going to be accomplished, by going down a list of names/groups, line item, trying to impartially qualify which are 'good' and which are 'admirable' (all the while making bombastic inferences about their intentions because they were at the same protest as Neo-Nazis and Neo-Confederates).

Indulge me.

[Hawk]

Indulge me.

I can generally speak to the baseline creed of groups like Proud Boys/FOAK (McInnes) or the Patriot/Constitutional Militia movement (and their various charters), organizations like NSM or alt-lite/alt-right subgroups that don't latch onto the supremacist angle, yeah, absolutely.

Let's start here.

[57Brave]

Workers are in the process of removing Old Joe from in front of the Alachua County Administration Building this morning