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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawk View Post
    If they are dead, and history has judged them, then why do you feel as though you'll find vindication by pulling them of the grave and putting them on what is nothing more than a show trial?
    Because it's not about the people. It's the fact that others have already done the inverse of that, to damaging effect. If exploding some of those myths is a by-product of changing the paradigm, it's hardly just for show.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Julio3000 View Post
    Because it's not about the people. It's the fact that others have already done the inverse of that, to damaging effect. If exploding some of those myths is a by-product of changing the paradigm, it's hardly just for show.
    Have you stopped to think about why American history treats these figures with a kind of gentle grace? I mean, setting aside for a moment that it's part of our moral tapestry and all that nonsense.

    Of course it's about 'the people' - not the bronzified ones, the ones that walked below. This is the piece that you manage to consistently air mail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Julio3000 View Post
    Oh, 'cuz that's an isolated event that is not representative of broader events. Come back stronger.
    This is entirely my point.

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    I am mad curious as to how the coming post-fascist order is going to deal with these issues, tho.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawk View Post
    This is entirely my point.
    So it's not representative of broader events?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawk View Post
    Have you stopped to think about why American history treats these figures with a kind of gentle grace? I mean, setting aside for a moment that it's part of our moral tapestry and all that nonsense.

    Of course it's about 'the people' - not the bronzified ones, the ones that walked below. This is the piece that you manage to consistently air mail.
    Yeah, Lincoln's second inaugural address. In our best light. Then when it got pissed on during the death of reconstruction and the rise of Jim Crow? How shall we deal with that? With honesty, I hope. No?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Julio3000 View Post
    So it's not representative of broader events?
    Re-read my original comment.

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    We're great friends and allies of the Germans and Japanese now. That necessitates a certain amount of mutual forgiveness, but it doesn't mean dishonestly elevating the ideas and people that put us at odds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Julio3000 View Post
    We're great friends and allies of the Germans and Japanese now. That necessitates a certain amount of mutual forgiveness, but it doesn't mean dishonestly elevating the ideas and people that put us at odds.
    Not comparable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawk View Post
    Have you stopped to think about why American history treats these figures with a kind of gentle grace? I mean, setting aside for a moment that it's part of our moral tapestry and all that nonsense.

    Of course it's about 'the people' - not the bronzified ones, the ones that walked below. This is the piece that you manage to consistently air mail.
    So it's wrong to point out that those who walked below were and are serving a toxic and barbarous idea?

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    So let's have a nationwide moment of truth and reconciliation. But that's going to require some concessions, which are heretofore pretty hard to come by.

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    Did y'all see that arizona law maker who tweeted "good morning America! What's offending us today?"

    And then had to delete and apologize because it offended so many people

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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    Did y'all see that arizona law maker who tweeted "good morning America! What's offending us today?"

    And then had to delete and apologize because it offended so many people
    He HAD to? He just doesn't have your strength of character, I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Julio3000 View Post
    He HAD to? He just doesn't have your strength of character, I guess.
    Funny that "that's" what you took away from that

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    Quote Originally Posted by Julio3000 View Post
    Yeah, Lincoln's second inaugural address. In our best light. Then when it got pissed on during the death of reconstruction and the rise of Jim Crow? How shall we deal with that? With honesty, I hope. No?
    A little post-fascist efficacy sounds like the remedy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Julio3000 View Post
    So it's wrong to point out that those who walked below were and are serving a toxic and barbarous idea?
    It is if your intent is to divide for all of the wrong reasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawk View Post
    A little post-fascist efficacy sounds like the remedy.
    Well, you do you. Unless you're a Proud Boy, I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Julio3000 View Post
    Well, you do you. Unless you're a Proud Boy, I guess.
    You and the labels.

    Nasty!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawk View Post
    It is if your intent is to divide for all of the wrong reasons.
    It's so terribly divisive to acknowledge the legacy of white supremacism and to take steps to change it.

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