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    Quote Originally Posted by goldfly View Post
    that's what i am doing with donations to organizations that directly combat against him
    I'm sure these 'organizations' really appreciate your 30 pieces of silver.

    Can't resist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawk View Post
    http://theweek.com/articles/752138/w...sonate-voters?

    Most State of the Union speeches come and go. Very little gets remembered for long, as other priorities overtake the White House and Congress. The visuals in Trump's speech, however, may be more enduring, especially when it comes to immigration. Democrats may want to think about taking a significant concession on the path to citizenship for DACA recipients and getting that issue off the table as soon as possible.

    To some extent, at significant events like this, Trump succeeds by not failing. His well-earned reputation as a rhetorical loose cannon sets expectations lower than usual, but that belies his preparation for major traditional speeches. It happened in Davos last week and again last night. Congress may not want to admit it, but Trump outplayed them, just as he managed to do with the shutdown a little over a week earlier.
    That's a very generous way of saying he's set the bar so low all he has to do is crawl over the finish line without screwing up.
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    I think that "nativist" clearly applies to, say, the Steve “We can’t restore our civilization with somebody else’s babies” Kings of the world. Arguably to others who support massively curtailing legal immigration and demonizing illegal immigrants, but I'll forego that term in exchange for the others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forever Fredi View Post
    That's a very generous way of saying he's set the bar so low all he has to do is crawl over the finish line without screwing up.
    He didn't set that bar.

    People who believe that he watches a Gorilla channel and peed on prostitutes in the Presidential Suite of the Ritz-Carlton (en route to being compromised as part of a grandiose conspiracy theory) did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Julio3000 View Post
    I think that "nativist" clearly applies to, say, the Steve “We can’t restore our civilization with somebody else’s babies” Kings of the world. Arguably to others who support massively curtailing legal immigration and demonizing illegal immigrants, but I'll forego that term in exchange for the others.
    I can think of constructions far less forgiving than "nativist" for people who espouse beliefs like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawk View Post
    57, research is your friend. Employ it.

    Good grief.

    Your counter-punch today has been remarkably inane.
    Really?

    Sincerely,

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    Quote Originally Posted by goldfly View Post
    that's what i am doing with donations to organizations that directly combat against him

    but thanks for your wisdom on that AA. i have been dealing with it since day 1
    And obviously you have no intestinal fortitude to accept it to only bitch like the pussy you are in this situation. I think you are good person obviously but the chemical imbalances in your brain is muddying your concept of what the nation wants or what you want. You hate Republicans and if Pence or Rubio or Cruz or Bush, you will still post the same stupid ass bullshiit you are posting now.

    Like I said, accept it or shut the f*ck up and suck on your pacifier.

    Sheesh. No wonder us black have big dongs, we accept it and take it because you Dems taught us well in accepting your shiit over and over for the last 200 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaw View Post
    Don't forget Criminal....even for those who broke federal law to come here.
    And a lot of our ancestors murdered and displaced people who were here before us so...

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    let's take a look at how that (R) civil war is going today





    Republicans wither under the Trump stress test: Do his bidding or retire
    By Kerry Eleveld
    Wednesday Jan 31, 2018 · 3:34 PM EST
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    Republican Rep. Trey Gowdy of South Carolina is retiring. After years of flushing millions in taxpayer dollars down the drain on his Benghazi escapade, #memogate appears to have proved too much for the man. Rather than speak the truth about a crackpot document he was complicit in helping to create, Gowdy's leaving while he can expand his horizons and presumably still look himself in the mirror. In other words, just like his former colleague Jason Chaffetz, he's getting out while the gettin's good.

    Gowdy—the only GOP member of the House Intelligence panel to actually view the classified materials the secret memo was based on—reportedly pressed House Intel chair Devin Nunes to let FBI Director Christopher Wray see it. Nunes acquiesced, Wray's fears were not allayed by the viewing, and Nunes proceeded with his Committee vote to release it anyway. Wray then joined Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein in a futile effort to convince House Speaker Paul Ryan and finally White House Chief of Staff John Kelly that releasing the memo would both misrepresent the facts and undermine national security. Both efforts appear to have fallen on the deaf ears of two gutless GOP leaders in a position to make a difference.

    But more to the point, Gowdy on the one hand and Ryan and Kelly on the other represent the two choices Republicans in Washington have concluded they are confined to: Do Trump's bidding or leave Washington. The closer GOP lawmakers are to the federal justice and national security apparatus or anything related to congressional oversight of the executive, the more they face the stress test of that ultimatum.

    The third option of speaking the truth—one which actually requires the fortitude of true self-sacrifice in pursuit of a greater good—clearly isn't a risk any of these Republicans are willing to take. Even the Bob Corkers and Jeff Flakes of the GOP have fallen silent in the face of multiple reports that last year Trump pursued the dismissal of Special Counsel Robert Mueller. At present, they say, they see no urgency in protecting the special counsel from Trump. Apparently they are content to publicly air an occasional grievance without taking any concrete steps whatsoever to put the force of their words into action. The jackpots at the end of their congressional rainbow are just too tantalizing to forfeit for a truly patriotic act that might help save the republic.

    And then there's Paul Ryan, who not only sided with Nunes over pleas from top FBI and Justice Department officials, he went the extra mile Tuesday and stoked the conservative appetite for the memo by pondering the possibility of "malfeasance at the FBI."

    “I think disclosure is the way to go. It's the best disinfectant. And I think we need to disclose, that brings us accountability, that brings us transparency, that helps us clean up any problem we have with (the Justice Department) and FBI."

    On Wednesday, Kelly also plugged transparency during a Fox News Radio interview in which he hailed Trump's embrace of it, apparently disregarding the fact that his boss is a serial liar.

    “This president, again, it's so unique, Brian, that he wants everything out so the American people can make up their own minds and if there's people to be held accountable, then so be it," he said.

    “Everything” except any incriminating information about his own ties to Russia or even just the Democratic response to the sham Nunes memo.

    In any case, the speaker of the House ignoring the warnings of the nation's top law enforcement officials is unprecedented, but Kelly—a former Marine general—dismissing them, is unconscionable. He made a career out of protecting the country from foreign adversaries and now he's happily forfeiting our national security in pursuit of undermining the very people who are trying to protect it. Talk about throwing your reputation in the ****ter.

    Wray finally decided on Wednesday that he had no choice but to make his opposition to releasing the Nunes memo public.

    Now here’s the question: Will any—and we really do mean any—Republicans step up to run interference now that the FBI director has publicly objected to releasing the Nunes memo? Or will they all just continue opting for one or the other of the Gowdy-Ryan Faustian bargains?
    The best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is to make sure he doesn’t get a gun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawk View Post
    Off-limit characterizations in the immigration debate:

    - Chain Migration
    - Amnesty
    - Nativist
    Well in the case of "amnesty," the way it's used and the claims made by the far right are utterly false.

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    The aforementioned words are toxic properties precisely because of the ways they are used/twisted/redefined.

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    Trump not implementing Russian sanctions is like if Bush took no action after 9/11.

    Didn’t investigate 9/11. Didn’t update security on airplanes.

    Acted like bin Laden was our friend & ally.

    When in reality all bin Laden wanted to do is attack America more.

    Just like Putin will.
    The best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is to make sure he doesn’t get a gun.

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    lol what

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    Yea that's a ridiculous analogy to try make.

    Even though Trump's refusal paints a pretty clear picture of what's happening, that's just a really bad comparison.
    Last edited by bravesnumberone; 01-31-2018 at 05:53 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bravesnumberone View Post
    Yea that's a ridiculous analogy to try make.

    Even though Trump's refusal paints a pretty clear picture of what's happening, that's just a really bad comparison.
    Is it ?
    We were cyber attacked and the President see's fit to not investigate or impose sanctions

    I find the analogy apt
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    We were cyber attacked?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    We were cyber attacked?
    You didn’t know that you can hack voting machines that arent hooked up to the internet?

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    The best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is to make sure he doesn’t get a gun.

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