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    LOLGOP‏ @LOLGOP 15m15 minutes ago

    If we just cut off kids with cancer and birth defects, think how much more we'd have to spend flying Trump officials around on private jets.
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    It would be ironic if Trump went down for obstructing an investigation into something that didn't happen. At least Nixon was covering up something real.
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    "Less than two weeks before Donald Trump accepted the Republican presidential nomination, his campaign chairman offered to provide briefings on the race to a Russian billionaire closely aligned with the Kremlin, according to people familiar with the discussions.

    Paul Manafort made the offer in an email to an overseas intermediary, asking that a message be sent to Oleg Deripaska, an aluminum magnate with whom Manafort had done business in the past, these people said.

    "If he needs private briefings we can accommodate," Manafort wrote in the July 7, 2016, email, portions of which were read to The Washington Post along with other Manafort correspondence from that time."

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    "Trump, at a lunch with African leaders, refers to the non-existent country of "Nambia.""
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    Is that next to Narnia?
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    "Africa has tremendous business potential. I have so many friends going to your countries trying to get rich. I congratulate you. They're spending a lot of money." — Trump to African leaders today at the UN.
    i'm not exaggerating or speaking in hyperbole etc

    he has to be the dumbest person to ever be president of the usa
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    Quote Originally Posted by goldfly View Post
    he has to be the dumbest person to ever be president of the usa
    dumbest, most shallow, most ignorant.
    it's not close.

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    What does it say that the dumbest person ever to be President outsmarted the Democrats. It was a **** sandwich or a giant douche, maybe the problem is the 2 party monopoly or the fact that neither party is obligated by law to run fair primaries. The DNC has already admitted they could pick the nominee in a back room and votes mean nothing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cajunrevenge View Post
    What does it say that the dumbest person ever to be President outsmarted the Democrats. It was a **** sandwich or a giant douche, maybe the problem is the 2 party monopoly or the fact that neither party is obligated by law to run fair primaries. The DNC has already admitted they could pick the nominee in a back room and votes mean nothing.
    The Democratic Party's rules were designed to reduce the chances of someone like Bernie Sanders winning the nomination. In that sense they were effective.

    But I share a lot of the frustration out there with the two party system. I used to be quite comfortable within the Republican Party. Now I consider myself politically homeless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cajunrevenge View Post
    What does it say that the dumbest person ever to be President outsmarted the Democrats. It was a **** sandwich or a giant douche, maybe the problem is the 2 party monopoly or the fact that neither party is obligated by law to run fair primaries. The DNC has already admitted they could pick the nominee in a back room and votes mean nothing.
    It says and the pile of info grows daily , Trump didn't win.

    What is at issue is how it gets rectified

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    Quote Originally Posted by 57Brave View Post
    It says and the pile of info grows daily , Trump didn't win.

    What is at issue is how it gets rectified
    http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/06/politi...ons/index.html

    Washington (CNN)Donald Trump was formally certified as the winner of the presidential election Friday, after handful of congressman tried to object during the tally of Electoral College votes, a desperate gambit quickly squashed by Vice President Joe Biden.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Super View Post
    dumbest, most shallow, most ignorant.
    it's not close.
    i'd say about six cans short of a six-pack
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    Quote Originally Posted by 57Brave View Post
    Trump didn't win.

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    Wonder what the response will be when Trump wins in 2020.

    We haven't seen many updates on his approval rating lately. I wonder why....
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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    Wonder what the response will be when Trump wins in 2020.

    We haven't seen many updates on his approval rating lately. I wonder why....

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    That polling is interesting. I think 2018 is going to be very bad for the GOP, but Trump will be able to somewhat distance himself from it. I think the House will go to the Democrats, in a swing of possibly historic proportions. The math in the Senate is much more friendly to the Republicans and I think they will hold control there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    Wonder what the response will be when Trump wins in 2020.

    We haven't seen many updates on his approval rating lately. I wonder why....

    That's when I predict things will get really bad. Mass protests that get really violent. I still can't help but think he will parallel Lincoln. Ride a big military victory into reelection. He seems to be playing a game of chicken with North Korea. If Kim Jong-un blinks first Trump is going to come off looking like gold. Maybe in the second term we get a media scandal accusing Trump of working with North Korea to get him reelected.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawk View Post
    Why did Trump name Manafort Campaign Manager ?
    Why so many lies and perjured statements concerning Russian involvement ?

    Why doesn't Trump support Mueller or Congressional investigations ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Julio3000 View Post
    Asking about ex post facto oversight is irrelevant.
    Er, no, it's most decidedly not. And putting aside for a moment the shocking depravity of that utterance, it's a fundamental part of the point I've been trying to make since my initial foray into this particular Matryoshkal **** show.

    FISA warrants are issued in one year increments. The bar for a warrant to be granted, as I've said, is high (on paper) - but it's also important to note that the burden of probable cause in a FISA court is extremely low (e.g. instead of "is" a foreign agent, FISA accepts "may be" scenarios). We know the initial warrant was granted by the court in 2014, for surveillance from ~2014-2015. We don't know if surveillance was granted again sometime during 2015, but we do know that it was granted again sometime in 2016. That's at least two (possibly three) FISA wiretap warrant renewals. Let's ignore the Fifth Amendment issue here and deal with the known facts; 1) the government believes Paul Manafort is an agent of a foreign government 2) the government is building a case against Manafort 3) the government, despite stating to a FISA court that they have enough probable cause to believe Manafort is a criminal foreign agent, can't make a prosecutable case against Manafort despite years of eavesdropping material.

    So, we can assume that either the court was given new, clear and compelling evidence about Manafort's activities each time it reviewed the 'renewal' warrant application, or that it wasn't, given that we don't know with any real certainty how FISA treats warrant renewals vs. original applications. I shouldn't neglect to mention the fact that FISA courts have denied somewhere in the neighborhood of ~0.3% of warrant cases brought before them.

    It's not that I find the (original) warrant specious in and of itself, but rather that I find the jurisprudential approach of the renewing court(s) extremely suspect. That suspect behavior easily morphs into negligence when you consider things like incidental collection and the likelihood that Manafort was either working for, or heavily involved in the Trump campaign at the time he was wiretapped the second (or third) time.

    And I don't know what comes after negligence when we earnestly consider something like civil liberties. Although, given that Manafort is your Russo-American collusion great white whale, I can understand why you'd be happy to temporarily sweep your convictions under a rug.
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