The best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is to make sure he doesn’t get a gun.
There's no question that this example fits in some cases. I think the trap we all tend to fall into (myself definitely included) is that we like to find one answer, one explanation, one solution, etc., when there are always several, usually a LOT. It's like why do couples get divorced. There are some examples that explain it better than others, and I'm sure there are statistics that carve the reasons up into a nice pie chart, but I think it's way more complicated than we like it to be, which may be the biggest reason of all why it never actually gets fixed.
EDIT: I can't tell you how many "Pray for America" type signs I saw in people's yards during the Obama presidency, I very rarely see one these days. I"m sure that's just a coincidence too.
I'm not sure what to tell you. As I said before I have seen quite a few parents who talk about just wanting the best education for their children but pretty much any time that means their kids get into trouble for just about anything they're looking to move them somewhere where they won't get into trouble, the kids are rarely if ever to blame for those parents, just keeping their kids happy, which often involves just putting them somewhere that will take care of them but not push them too hard when they don't want to be pushed. As you said there are those parents that truly want their kids to be pushed and encouraged and worked hard to get the most out of their educational experience and I totally respect that, but from my personal experiences those aren't the majority by any stretch. Parents are either stretched to the limit just to make it in their own jobs, lives, etc., and they don't want that one extra stresser on their minds (my kid is not happy because they got into trouble at school) so they take the easiest way out that they can. Our public school system needs some serious overhauling but I don't see that ever happening because of all the things being discussed here today, by all sides. Too many imperfections and too much politics and hidden agendas to deal with so we keep sticking with what sorta works because that's just so much easier than biting the bullet and really doing things right.
I agree with you that this has been a factor both historically and currently.
My point was that while I agree with Oklahoma that the parents he mentions do a lot to screw up public schools, I think they are repelled from private schools specifically because private schools have a greater power to stop serving them. The shenanigans that parents use to bully powerless public school administrators will get them tossed out of private schools.
As an aside, I was recently informed that the two largest Christian schools in my rural-ish Georgia county are more racially diverse than the county's public schools. Both schools also have a long wait list and plan expansion. I find that encouraging.
Last edited by Jaw; 08-08-2018 at 09:49 AM.
Go get him!
Founding member of the Whiny Little Bitches and Pricks Club
you should hear the lady out, she makes some good points.
Remind me the origin of the phrase "in order to form a more perfect union ... "
The best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is to make sure he doesn’t get a gun.
The first member of congress to endorse trump was just indicted on insider trading
"For there is always light, if only we are brave enough to see it. If only we are brave enough to be it." Amanda Gorman
"When Fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross"
CK86 (08-08-2018)
actually it was member of congress, not members.
One out of 435.
As much as I detest the policies of my representative, I would defend him tooth and nail from that broad brush painting
The best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is to make sure he doesn’t get a gun.
CK86 (08-08-2018)
My representative was a successful farmer and land owner before being elected.
If not mistaken the majority are lawyers.
My point is one ( in most cases) has to be successful to some degree to be elected.
Being successful in our country is measured in the do-re-mi.
I would guess well over 50% are millionaires
Are you saying one must be a crook to be a millionaire ?
Reeks of class envy from where I sit
The best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is to make sure he doesn’t get a gun.
"For there is always light, if only we are brave enough to see it. If only we are brave enough to be it." Amanda Gorman
"When Fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross"
Runnin (08-09-2018)
You look and report back, it is your point that they all steal because you know, they are government.
Your statement is reminiscent of Tail Gunner Joe saying the State Department was filled with Commies.
and
Quit asking people to make your points for you, if you have something to say ---- say it
As far as math, I know what 2 +2 equals and as a wise man once said, "dont need a weatherman to now which way the wind blows"
Discussing politics on a baseball message board has never been ( by a long stretch ) confused with high levels of intellectual discourse
The best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is to make sure he doesn’t get a gun.
"For there is always light, if only we are brave enough to see it. If only we are brave enough to be it." Amanda Gorman
"When Fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross"
cajunrevenge (08-09-2018), Runnin (08-09-2018)