It's quite possible that I'm biased but I truly hope that Atlanta Drafts Brendan McKay. Kid is a stud with his arm and bat!
It's quite possible that I'm biased but I truly hope that Atlanta Drafts Brendan McKay. Kid is a stud with his arm and bat!
I like McKay, but I want a position player if possible, and a college 1B doesn't seem to fit with what we're looking for. I get that in baseball, you just draft for value and not for need, but when taking a college player at #5, you probably want to take someone you can see penciling into your lineup within a couple years. And that wouldn't be McKay.
And if we draft him as a pitcher, there are others I'd want before him.
I agree, but being from Louisville and a UofL grad like I said I am a bit biased.
Oh, just a question about the hit tool? That's all? Questions about whether he can do the most important thing a baseball player has to do? No big deal!
No thanks to anyone at #5 that maybe can't hit the baseball.
Give me Royce Lewis if he's there, otherwise just grab a pitcher so the pick will disappoint us like always.
I think you go best value with the pick, where you lean to a bat all things being equal. It's hard to get too worked up at this point since things will change dramatically between now and June.
What about his hit rate dropping from 9.2/9 to 7.8/9? BB9 from 1.8 to 1.5? Those concern you, too?
I think given a little time at that level he'll continue to figure it out and the K9 will go back up. And I think there's plenty there to have made him a very interesting prospect, which may be borne out now in Seattle's system. I'll promise you, they don't see him as another swinging dick. They think it's a DiPoto master stroke.
As always, time will tell.
Povse compared favorably to some of the other guys who played in Mississippi last year.
Chris Ellis (at 23, a year older than Povse) had K and BB rates of 6.9 and 4.0.
Sean Newcomb (a few months older) was at 9.8 and 4.6. I realize that those numbers don't tell everything and that the Newcomb grades out higher based on his stuff.
Whalen (slightly younger) was at 8.4 and 3.3 in AA.
Add in that Povse is more of a ground ball pitcher than the guys listed above. There is a lot to like about him. The odds of any prospect (even the highly rated ones) becoming a middle of the rotation type major league pitcher are low. But there is enough to mark Povse as one to pay attention to.
Last edited by nsacpi; 12-15-2016 at 08:46 PM.
Again, I'm sure they're happy to have him. They obviously soured on Jackson and probably view getting anything for him as a great deal. Just like we probably view getting a guy with Jackson's talent level for someone we didn't really see a future with us for as a great deal.
His BABIP against in AA was the lowest of his career, and his LOB% was the highest of his career. Did he figure something out to induce a bunch of weak contact, or did he get lucky? We don't really know, but there is some evidence he might have gotten a little lucky.
Povse is intriguing, I'm not saying he's not. I just don't believe, as some do, that we got nothing in return. We got someone still valued higher than Povse by at least some sources.
A guy who walks 1.5/9 is intriguing, but when you combine it with a K rate of 6/9, it suddenly becomes much less so. If he bumps his K rate up to 8 or so in AA while keeping the walks down, then he becomes much more interesting. But I doubt that will happen.
nsacpi (12-16-2016)
Povse has 3 very unique qualities that your whalens and ellises don't have.
1. he's 6'9" science tells us that's worth a little more velocity than a short guy
2. he doesn't walk anybody. what a rare commodity to have in a young pitcher.
3. he doesn't give up home runs
consider how those really tall guys project down the road as well. it takes somebody like povse longer to fill into his body. he's likely now just figuring out how it can all work. imagine him with 25 more pound down the line...
nsacpi (12-16-2016)
I guess you could argue over how we should have traded Povse, but he would have never pitched in Atlanta. I guess that's why I'm not worried too much about losing him. It's clear that the front office is looking for guys who have the ability to possibly become dominant and not ground ball specialists.
Congrats guys, 14 pages on an absolute nothing trade.
"Yes, I did think Aldrich was good UNTIL I SAW HIM PLAY. "- thethe
rico43 (12-16-2016)
Haha.
I mean, the bottom line is that the value was basically even in the trade and Povse was unlikely to ever surpass a bunch of the other pitching prospects we have to actually be counted on at the major league level.
Anyone claiming it was a bad trade or upset that we gave up Povse simply fell in love with a specific prospect.
You keep the ones who have a certain special "it" factor. Numbers are a part of it, sure. There's only one in a hundred who has a 1.5 BB9 and one in a million who have that kind of command and that long a body.
He's not a ****ing spreadsheet. Paul dePodesta failed miserably with the Dodgers letting data lead him around by the nose. Data enhances understanding and confirms theses; it does not lead.
So, no, I do not agree that he's just a guy. Hopefully it's okay that we don't agree and you don't have to make one more post saying he's just another guy - or that indicates "falling in love with a prospect." You'd better have some conviction about your judgement.