Page 3 of 16 FirstFirst 1234513 ... LastLast
Results 41 to 60 of 305

Thread: Braves acquire Alex Jackson from SEA for Whalen and Povse

  1. #41
    NL Rookie of the Year dak's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2013
    Posts
    2,604
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    204
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    1,252
    Thanked in
    696 Posts
    John Manuel puts Jackson in the 18 - 20 range on the Braves prospect list. Seems about right.

  2. #42
    It's OVER 5,000!
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    26,485
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    34
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    10,030
    Thanked in
    6,133 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by GovClintonTyree View Post
    If this is the plan, the deal got a whole lot more interesting.

    DiPoto has shown what his supporters would say is a bold streak in his deals. Others would call him impatient. He's dealt players who will contribute in their new homes, notably Carson Smith, Mike Montgomery, Mark Trumbo, now Ketel Marie and Taijuan Walker. Once he decides he doesn't want to wait on a guy, they're gone.

    So now he's decided to bolster his pitching with middling arms at the cost of giving up on a former #1 prematurely. Jackson wasn't making enough contact, but he was making improvements after he moved up the ladder and it wouldn't be a surprise to see that continue.

    I did not know about his catcher past, but that sure makes him attractive to the Braves and interesting to me.
    Here is what I found on him prior to the 2014 draft, when he was rated the #1 catcher in the class:

    http://www.perfectgame.org/players/p...aspx?ID=288713

    To quote:

    "Huge power, very good defensive catcher, Also play OF well. Has all the tools, outstanding at PG Nat. Games and Area Codes. Outstanding at PG National. PG All American"

  3. #43
    Expects Yuge Games nsacpi's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    47,583
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    2,704
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    11,390
    Thanked in
    7,539 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by cajunrevenge View Post
    Jackson seems a lot like Braxton Davidson. Way too many k's but draws a lot of walks with a solid amount of power. They arent hitting great overall but are still around league average. They are both only 20 years old so theres plenty of time for the light to come on. Being first round picks they have serious upside if it does. With prospects the odds are always against you. All you can do is hedge your bets with as many lottery tickets. Sometimes you win nothing. Sometimes you win your money back. Sometimes you win 4$, but every now and then you hit the jackpot. Cant win if you dont play.



    edit - I guess he is still young enough to convert to catching. If it doesnt hurt his bat he would be a significantly better prospect as a catcher.
    Davidson and Jackson were both drafted in 2014. Davidson is 6 months younger. Davidson put up an OPS of .704 this past season in High A. Jackson put up an OPS of .740 in Low A.

  4. #44
    NL Rookie of the Year dak's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2013
    Posts
    2,604
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    204
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    1,252
    Thanked in
    696 Posts
    Jackson has obviously not performed to expectations in MiLB yet, but had hardly been a disaster. In his age 20 season in the Midwest League, he put up a 120 wRC+. That put him 30th out of 113 players with at least 300 PAs. Median age for the league is 21. Let's hope he can build on that . . . and is a solid Catcher.

  5. #45
    A Chip Off the Old Rock Julio3000's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    15,038
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    6,273
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    9,790
    Thanked in
    5,155 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by smootness View Post
    How is this odd? Whalen and Povse are filler arms with little future in our system. We traded them at their peak for a guy with a big ceiling and potentially legit bat whose value is at its lowest. That's darn near the perfect trade.
    Well said.

  6. #46
    Anytime Now Frankie...
    Join Date
    Jan 2014
    Posts
    1,452
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    2
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    624
    Thanked in
    345 Posts
    Listen here to Hart on draft day, he loved the kid and his arm. Said he thinks he'd be a good catcher, projects to be a 25-30 hr type hitter. Said he was the best power positional player in the draft and probably would be moved to the OF to fast track his bat to the majors.



    Guys favorite player was Pudge Rodriguez.

    Don't think there's any doubt what the Braves envision here. We traded to back of the rotation type arms for a big time talent at a position of need (whether that's catcher or outfielder).....good job Coppy!

    Did I say I think the Braves move him to catcher?

  7. The Following User Says Thank You to Millwood1Hitter For This Useful Post:

    Hudson2 (11-28-2016)

  8. #47
    Shift Leader thethe's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    69,637
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    5,511
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    5,180
    Thanked in
    3,899 Posts
    Front office has navigated this rebuild incredibly well.

    Coppy has turned out to be a fantastic GM.
    Natural Immunity Croc

  9. The Following User Says Thank You to thethe For This Useful Post:

    JohnAdcox (11-29-2016)

  10. #48
    Shift Leader thethe's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    69,637
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    5,511
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    5,180
    Thanked in
    3,899 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by Bravehog View Post
    I wouldn't be surprised to see John Hart put Jackson back behind the plate. He was an analyst for MLB Network during that draft and he believed in Jacksons ability behind the plate. Thought Seattle moved him to OF to fast track him and it's not working out. I love the move. We need bats. Whalen and Povse don't excite. Jackson does.
    Well said.
    Natural Immunity Croc

  11. #49
    10 yr, $185 million Extension
    Join Date
    Jul 2015
    Posts
    4,626
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    199
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    1,328
    Thanked in
    853 Posts
    Ultimately I don't see much chance of us lamenting the day we let Povse and Whalen go, but we could conceivably celebrate the day we got Jackson. There's a whole lot of risk in Jackson's bat, but when the price is two pitchers that I wouldn't rate in our top 10 pitching prospects, I think it's a worthwhile one.

  12. The Following User Says Thank You to mqt For This Useful Post:

    thethe (11-28-2016)

  13. #50
    It's OVER 5,000! striker42's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    10,650
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    388
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    3,204
    Thanked in
    2,051 Posts
    I love the willingness of our front office to swap prospects for prospects. We have tremendous pitching depth but need minor league hitters. Makes all the sense in the world to make a swap like this.

  14. #51
    Shift Leader thethe's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    69,637
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    5,511
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    5,180
    Thanked in
    3,899 Posts
    Kyle Tait ‏@HearKyleTait 1h1 hour ago
    #Braves first pick in 2014 draft was 32nd. Now they have Jackson (6th, Mariners), Newcomb (15th, Angels), Toussaint (16th, DBacks), by trade
    Natural Immunity Croc

  15. The Following User Says Thank You to thethe For This Useful Post:

    rico43 (11-29-2016)

  16. #52
    It's OVER 5,000! Hudson2's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    8,699
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    957
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    1,455
    Thanked in
    1,123 Posts
    He's super athletic so moving back to catcher shouldn't be a big deal. This trade could be huge for us. He was turning it around his first season before getting hurt. So I'm not worried about his numbers last year. Funny how we could have found our future catcher for 2 pitchers that were never gonna matter here.

  17. #53
    It's OVER 5,000! zbhargrove's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2013
    Location
    Bismarck, ND
    Posts
    11,273
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    773
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    2,701
    Thanked in
    1,992 Posts
    Maybe the PTBNL is Kyle Lewis ;) trollolololol

  18. The Following User Says Thank You to zbhargrove For This Useful Post:

    jpx7 (11-30-2016)

  19. #54
    Where's My Cup of Coffee?
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    1,223
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    97
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    349
    Thanked in
    211 Posts
    You make this trade any day of the week if you're the Braves. Povse could be a nice pitcher but he's a depth guy. Whalen too. We're desperate for long term power hitters. Obviously Jackson comes with risks and has struggled as a pro but too early to give up on him. He's absolutely worth a shot

  20. #55
    Steve Harvey'd
    Join Date
    Sep 2015
    Posts
    19,099
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    1,859
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    5,349
    Thanked in
    3,369 Posts
    Won't complain about this trade but I think both Povse and Whalen will be in the bigs. I really like Povse. He was a big kid who threw hard and threw strikes. Hate to lose him. Hope this works out.

    Edit**. And hopefully the Hart boner for this kid isn't like the last boner the FO had for a guy out west.

  21. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to bravesfanMatt For This Useful Post:

    Braves1976 (11-29-2016), jpx7 (11-30-2016)

  22. #56
    It's OVER 5,000!
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    26,485
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    34
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    10,030
    Thanked in
    6,133 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by dak View Post
    John Manuel puts Jackson in the 18 - 20 range on the Braves prospect list. Seems about right.
    MLB.com just slotted him in at 13, between Muller and Riley.

  23. #57
    Vencer a Los Doyers GovClintonTyree's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Location
    Lake Hartwell
    Posts
    4,902
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    1,841
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    1,649
    Thanked in
    1,033 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    Here is what I found on him prior to the 2014 draft, when he was rated the #1 catcher in the class:

    http://www.perfectgame.org/players/p...aspx?ID=288713

    To quote:

    "Yuge power, very good defensive catcher, Also play OF well. Has all the tools, outstanding at PG Nat. Games and Area Codes. Outstanding at PG National. PG All American"
    Fixed

  24. #58
    Vencer a Los Doyers GovClintonTyree's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Location
    Lake Hartwell
    Posts
    4,902
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    1,841
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    1,649
    Thanked in
    1,033 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by Hudson2 View Post
    He's super athletic so moving back to catcher shouldn't be a big deal. This trade could be huge for us. He was turning it around his first season before getting hurt. So I'm not worried about his numbers last year. Funny how we could have found our future catcher for 2 pitchers that were never gonna matter here.
    He kind of profiles just like Zunino, who's a year earlier, who has everything you could possibly want in a catcher except an inability to lay off sliders on the outside corner. Maybe they moved him to right because they thought he'd be blocked by Zunino.

    Oh, and because Jack Z had a deep, abiding love for RH power hitters who strike out a bunch.

  25. #59
    Anytime Now Frankie...
    Join Date
    Nov 2014
    Posts
    1,420
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    1
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    434
    Thanked in
    265 Posts
    Good trade. I like the upside plays. That's my favorite key difference between the regime and Wren.

  26. #60
    It's OVER 5,000! Hudson2's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    8,699
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    957
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    1,455
    Thanked in
    1,123 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by GovClintonTyree View Post
    He kind of profiles just like Zunino, who's a year earlier, who has everything you could possibly want in a catcher except an inability to lay off sliders on the outside corner. Maybe they moved him to right because they thought he'd be blocked by Zunino.

    Oh, and because Jack Z had a deep, abiding love for RH power hitters who strike out a bunch.
    I'd be perfectly happy with a possible 20 homer C who strikes out a lot but has good defense. But you may be right about their thinking he could be blocked and moved him to fast track him. With us we can slow him down and give him time to develop.

Similar Threads

  1. Alex Jackson to AA
    By SidSlid92 in forum 2024: The Campaign to Re-Elect Snit for Four More Years and Make Atlanta Great Again!
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: 07-30-2017, 01:08 PM
  2. Alex Jackson Hype Train
    By mqt in forum Optimists
    Replies: 20
    Last Post: 05-13-2017, 01:28 PM
  3. Braves Sign Edwin Jackson
    By MadduxFanII in forum 2024: The Campaign to Re-Elect Snit for Four More Years and Make Atlanta Great Again!
    Replies: 15
    Last Post: 08-16-2015, 12:25 PM
  4. GDT 7/12/14: Braves (Minor) @ Cubs (Jackson) 4:05 PM
    By nsacpi in forum 2024: The Campaign to Re-Elect Snit for Four More Years and Make Atlanta Great Again!
    Replies: 147
    Last Post: 07-12-2014, 08:31 PM
  5. GDT 9/22/13: Braves (Teheran) @ Cubs (Jackson) 2:20 PM
    By NYCBrave in forum 2013 Gamethreads
    Replies: 206
    Last Post: 09-24-2013, 07:38 PM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •