Wait, stop right there. Science doesn't tell us anything. This tells us that the guy is tall. Nothing else. Looks how long it took Randy Johnson to learn how to pitch. For those of you who don't know, the Braves actually drafted him before the Expos.Originally Posted by chipchildress
Then, here we are again. Trading a low level Braves "prospect," who was hardly discussed on this board, if at all. After it happens, suddenly there was this amazing resource squandered.
Anyone remember the angst on the board when the Braves gave up Joey Nation in a trade? (I don't even remember which trade it was).
I don't know whether he will turn into anything or not, but fans will be fans. Joey who?
Knucksie (12-19-2016)
I'm not really sure where you would have absorbed his "it" factor except from "spreadsheets".
you don't understand math to you. povse is closer to the plate than chuck james would have been. thus there is a shorter distance for the ball to travel, thus the relative velocity is going to be different.
but yeah, i get how half of the country doesn't even believe science exists so i get why this would be confusing. deep georgia religious charter school background perhaps?
at least this is an actual ****ing trade. 80% of this board is unreadable with threads filled with nothing by hypothetical trades.
It'd be interesting to find out if Povse was discussed on this board even once before this trade. Nevertheless, injecting Chuck James, who at least had *some* success getting outs at the major level, really doesn't address the issue. If you actually knew something about him and could share, it'd certainly be more impressive and pertinent to the discussion than drivel like this:
You would be correct on the hypothetical trades. So, props for that one.
Yes Povse was discussed quite a bit actually... no its not a bad trade.
It's called deceptive speed. The ball seems faster than it really is. Being super long and lanky like a Randy Johnson will do that. So will be really good at hiding the ball out of your windup. In the end it doesn't really mean too much.
When we are talking about nanoseconds, there are a lot of different ways to throw the hitter's timing off. Povse may be closer, but if his wind-up is too long, the hitter can square up. Sometimes someone with not as much on the fastball can sneak it by someone due to the speed (or lack thereof) of his other pitches or the ability to conceal the ball longer. There's no set theory here.
Well, he's right in that it does make it actually faster. The speed of the pitch is the same, but it does actually get to the plate faster than a pitch of the same speed thrown from a shorter pitcher, assuming both pitchers release the ball at basically the same place relative to their body.
But yeah, it's not really enough to make a real difference in reality. If you are very tall (as Povse is) and you release the ball closer to the plate relative to your body, then it can start to make a difference...but a few inches doesn't really matter.
But regardless, if his added height was to make a big difference in the majors, it would likely make an even bigger difference in AA. And his K rate in AA was what it was.
Yeah, this.
Yes, and as we all know the release point can change from pitch to pitch.
so you actually believe you wife when she says a few inches don't matter?
No, sadly.
Sounds like all parties have agreed that Jackson will try out catching, and they have enlisted the help of a catcher conversion specialist.
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/john-...-with-seattle/On moving Jackson, who was a catcher as an amateur, back behind the plate: “We felt he had the requisite tools to seek out this opportunity. Alex has a terrific arm, good actions, and, perhaps most importantly, he seems motivated to make the most of this opportunity. Alex has been working with Jeff Datz, who has overseen many catching conversions and worked with many All-Star catchers.
“We discussed it internally, but part of that discussion was also the understanding that Alex may not want to catch and that we would have to be satisfied with him if that were the case. However, the fact that Alex was willing to trust us, and himself, in this process makes us really excited.”
On approaching Jackson about a position switch: “We met with Alex and spoke about it with him and with his agent, Scott Boras. All of us felt like it was an opportunity worth pursuing. Catching is the biggest long-term need in our organization, so if we feel Alex’s bat can play as a corner outfielder, imagine how well it would play as a catcher.
“Dave Trembley and Jonathan Schuerholz flew out to Alex less than 48 hours after we made the trade. It’s a credit to those two men that they were able to drop everything and make Alex the top priority.”
Ventura's Stolen Bases
Very informative interview, thanks for posting it dak.
Coppy seems very open about his moves and thoughts in general.
And I like that.
Its the anti- JS.
I like throwing as much behind an Jackson move as humanly possible. He is an asset that is worth investing heavily.
Ivermectin Man
I agree. It's very refreshing.
it is? this sounds like they realized they just went olivera 2.0 and are scrambling to figure out what to do.
in this era of defensive metrics concerning catchers, are any of you seriously believing that they can just make a catcher on the fly? give me a break.
i take everything back i say, i guess, if the DH gets abolished. otherwise, they've picked up a poor man's evan gattis who they hope to teach to play the hardest position on the diamond to play. good luck with that.
all that and povse is still going to be a 10 year mlb pitcher so there's that too.
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