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    DOTW 9/4/'13: Is Kimbrel the best closer this organization has ever had?

    I haven't checked the numbers but I can't imagine anyone more dominant, not even Smoltz.

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    Yes.

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    I would take Smoltz because he was one of the greatest clutch pitchers of all time. Kimbrel is really not tested in the playoffs and he did blow game 162 in 2011 to seal to collapse. Its not really a knock on Kimbrel as it is a man crush on Smoltz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cajunrevenge View Post
    I would take Smoltz because he was one of the greatest clutch pitchers of all time. Kimbrel is really not tested in the playoffs and he did blow game 162 in 2011 to seal to collapse. Its not really a knock on Kimbrel as it is a man crush on Smoltz.
    Smoltz is awesome. No doubt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cajunrevenge View Post
    I would take Smoltz because he was one of the greatest clutch pitchers of all time. Kimbrel is really not tested in the playoffs and he did blow game 162 in 2011 to seal to collapse. Its not really a knock on Kimbrel as it is a man crush on Smoltz.
    I would tend to agree. Until Kimbrel can prove himself in a tight playoff series, Smoltz is still the man. I have no doubt Kimbrel can step up and do it in the playoffs, but he still has to prove it.

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    I love Smoltz but Kimbrel is incredible. I hope he does well in the playoffs this year as I expect he will given the opportunity.

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    Kimbrel also had a hand in blowing Game 3 of the 2010 NLDS.

    But, I think so, yes.

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    His 3 year run could be the best in the history of MLB.

    2010 isn't fair to blame on Kimbrel. Cox should have left him in the game also. He had thrown 20IP in MLB up to that point. We were handcuffed without Wagner though.


    The guy has a career ERA of 1.32, 0.89WHIP, .153BAA, 15.1K/9IP, .402OPS allowed and 133 saves in 147 chances (8 of the blown saves were his rookie year).

    Kimbrel is flat out incredible and has dominated major league hitters like no other RP ever has, period.

    He is the best closer to ever wear a Braves uniform and I am the biggest Smoltz fan in the world. I would rather have Smoltz start game 7 and Kimbrel close it out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CyYoung31 View Post
    Kimbrel also had a hand in blowing Game 3 of the 2010 NLDS.
    That game is on Bobby Cox and Brooks Conrad. Bobby should have never taken Kimbrel out for Mike Dunn. Kimbrel looked dominant out there, despite the 2 hits. Conrad makes the routine play and we go to the 9th all tied up.

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    I'll tell you what. I love me some Kimbrel but Smoltz seemed more automatic than him. I NEVER thought it was even possible for someone to get a hit off of him when he was our closer.
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    What Smoltz did was brilliant. What Kimbrel is doing is historic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Julio3000 View Post
    What Smoltz did was brilliant. What Kimbrel is doing is historic.
    I get what you are saying and while Kimbrel does have the better underlying statistics I still believe that Smoltz was better. Its really the same question as who I would rather sleep with. Kate Upton now or Jennifer Annistan of 10 years ago. How about both?
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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    I'll tell you what. I love me some Kimbrel but Smoltz seemed more automatic than him. I NEVER thought it was even possible for someone to get a hit off of him when he was our closer.
    From 2002-2004 Smoltz saved 144 games and blew 13. In Kimbrel's first 3 seasons as a closer he saved 132 games and blew 14. Pretty much identical.

    That said Kimbrel>All
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    Quote Originally Posted by zitothebrave View Post
    From 2002-2004 Smoltz saved 144 games and blew 13. In Kimbrel's first 3 seasons as a closer he saved 132 games and blew 14. Pretty much identical.

    That said Kimbrel>All
    Smolt was more automatic. Kimbrel just goes about his business in a more dominant fashion. Smoltz was just my all time favorite Brave so I'm partial.
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    This would've been a great DOTW by the way. Need to get folks to post this kind of stuff in the off season especially when the board hits a bit of a lul. Great question and I think he is. That is really saying something about Kimbrel as Smoltz had an amazing run as a closer. With that in mind Kimbrel is basically John Rocker without any of the baggage and with really good control.

    I mean... I just don't think we'll ever see a reliever put up the numbers Kimbrel did in 2012. A freaking .654 WHIP. We're all looking at Kimbrel this season and thinking... wow... he's in decline with his .850 WHIP and only 13 K's/9. Smoltz didn't come close to Kimbrel's 2012.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bj1133 View Post
    That game is on Bobby Cox and Brooks Conrad. Bobby should have never taken Kimbrel out for Mike Dunn. Kimbrel looked dominant out there, despite the 2 hits. Conrad makes the routine play and we go to the 9th all tied up.
    He still gave up two baserunners and put Bobby in a bind. So, yes, he played a part in it.
    Last edited by CyYoung31; 09-04-2013 at 09:12 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    Smolt was more automatic. Kimbrel just goes about his business in a more dominant fashion. Smoltz was just my all time favorite Brave so I'm partial.
    How was he more automatic? How is it possible to be more automatic than Kimbrel. Kimbrel has a career Era of 1.33. Smoltz was a great closer but Kimbrel is better.

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    I still take Smoltz over Kimbrel.

    Kimbrel has a few outings where his control just isn't there and has to rely on putting it in play.

    Smoltz was still a pitcher first, thrower second. Kimbrel is getting there though. I feel like Kimbrel falls in love with his curveball/slider too much sometimes (not that they're bad pitches).

    Kimbrel with a lead makes me feel comfortable, Smoltz made me feel like it was a done deal.

    They're both pretty much automatic, but it's the difference between me saying Kimbrel was a 99.7% sure thing, and Smoltz was a 99.8% sure thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CyYoung31 View Post
    He still gave up two baserunners and put Bobby in a bind. So, yes, he played a part in it.
    He is a far better pitcher now than he was in 2010. Just like Smoltz was a far better pitcher in 1991 than he was in 1988.

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    Another thing of note, Smoltz was dominating during the peak years of the steroids era as closer.

    Kimbrel is dominating in an era where pitching has made a comeback the last few years.

    In the playoffs, I probably take Smoltz 6/10, just because he can go multiple innings.
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