Suspenders Headed to Cooperstown

[Hawk]

ESPN Stats & Info
@ESPNStatsInfo
Bud Selig (Owner/Commissioner/Executive) and John Schuerholz (Executive) have been elected to the National Baseball Hall of Fame

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Bob Nightengale
@BNightengale
John Schuerholz was unanimous entry into Hall of Fame, Bud Selig got 15 of the 16 votes, and Lou Piniella had 7 votes_5 shy of election.

[chop2chip]

Congrats JS!

For all the unwarranted praise he received throughout the Streak, he's received that much and more unfair criticism since.

Once Chipper and Andruw are elected, the Dynasty will be laid to rest.

[Knucksie]

Precendence was Pat Gillick, GM winning WS in both leagues.

[bravesnumberone]

Are they gonna list all of Selig's ****-ups?

[goldfly]

**** Selig getting in

terrible

i wouldn't have voted for JS for the hall btw if i had a vote

[Knucksie]

**** Selig getting in

terrible

i wouldn't have voted for JS for the hall btw if i had a vote

Oh, for gosh sakes, he got in unanimously. It's time to let the Texeira trade go.

[DirkPiggler]

Oh, for gosh sakes, he got in unanimously. It's time to let the Texeira trade go.

The guy took two traditionally bad franchises and built them into World Series champions. One of those won 14 straight division titles, something that no one else has matched. Theo Epstein did basically the same thing (with the help of big market money) and people are already calling him a lock for Cooperstown. The only difference was that Epstein did it for media darlings.

I'm not a huge fan of Schuerholz, but give the guy his due. He deserves to be in the HOF.

[50PoundHead]

The guy took two traditionally bad franchises and built them into World Series champions. One of those won 14 straight division titles, something that no one else has matched. Theo Epstein did basically the same thing (with the help of big market money) and people are already calling him a lock for Cooperstown. The only difference was that Epstein did it for media darlings.

I'm not a huge fan of Schuerholz, but give the guy his due. He deserves to be in the HOF.

If for no other reason, he didn't throw out his back when he fell off Ted Turner's wallet. I give him credit for pulling the trigger on necessary deals and signings in the early-1990s when he replaced Cox as GM. I always felt that Bobby got a little too cautious and fell in love with the minor league guys he was developing. It's not a whole lot different than it is now, but Schuerholz made some well-timed and well-calculated deals (Pendleton, Bream, Belliard) without tearing up the foundation that Bobby and Paul Snyder had built. I hope Coppolella uses the same measured judgment.

[Knucksie]

The guy took two traditionally bad franchises and built them into World Series champions. One of those won 14 straight division titles, something that no one else has matched. Theo Epstein did basically the same thing (with the help of big market money) and people are already calling him a lock for Cooperstown. The only difference was that Epstein did it for media darlings.

I'm not a huge fan of Schuerholz, but give the guy his due. He deserves to be in the HOF.

Media types did overplay Epstein as boy genius. You're right about the budgets he had access to, but it's true that he is now a lock as future HOFer. Pat Gillick and Schuerholz in, winning WS in both leagues as GM is guaranteed plaque.

[goldfly]

Oh, for gosh sakes, he got in unanimously. It's time to let the Texeira trade go.

i don't care about the texeira trade

[Millwood1Hitter]

Give JS all the credit in the World for putting the finishing touches on assembling a championship caliber roster in the early 90s, but the guy lost it in the summer of 1996 and was horrible thereafter.

[cajunrevenge]

If JS doesnt get in then what executives do? 4 Championships plus the streak that no one will ever beat.

[GovClintonTyree]

Congrats JS!

For all the unwarranted praise he received throughout the Streak, he's received that much and more unfair criticism since.

Once Chipper and Andruw are elected, the Dynasty will be laid to rest.

While I certainly agree with you, I don't think Andrew is going to be on the docket any time soon.

[GovClintonTyree]

Give JS all the credit in the World for putting the finishing touches on assembling a championship caliber roster in the early 90s, but the guy lost it in the summer of 1996 and was horrible thereafter.

That's not true. Now, the Teixeira trade...

Schuerholz had a long and extraordinarily successful career. Congratulations to him on a well-deserved honor.

[GovClintonTyree]

If for no other reason, he didn't throw out his back when he fell off Ted Turner's wallet. I give him credit for pulling the trigger on necessary deals and signings in the early-1990s when he replaced Cox as GM. I always felt that Bobby got a little too cautious and fell in love with the minor league guys he was developing. It's not a whole lot different than it is now, but Schuerholz made some well-timed and well-calculated deals (Pendleton, Bream, Belliard) without tearing up the foundation that Bobby and Paul Snyder had built. I hope Coppolella uses the same measured judgment.

You're right about Bobby. I wouldn't call JS particularly aggressive, though he could be in spots. Coppy, IMO, is very aggressive, as was Wren. I am in the minority in that I liked Wren (I didn't have to work for him, though).

[GovClintonTyree]

**** Selig getting in

terrible

i wouldn't have voted for JS for the hall btw if i had a vote

You're wrong on both of these. There's no point in having an executive wing if they aren't in it.

[Knucksie]

If for no other reason, he didn't throw out his back when he fell off Ted Turner's wallet. I give him credit for pulling the trigger on necessary deals and signings in the early-1990s when he replaced Cox as GM. I always felt that Bobby got a little too cautious and fell in love with the minor league guys he was developing. It's not a whole lot different than it is now, but Schuerholz made some well-timed and well-calculated deals (Pendleton, Bream, Belliard) without tearing up the foundation that Bobby and Paul Snyder had built. I hope Coppolella uses the same measured judgment.

The Otis Nixon for Jimmy Kremers trade was also huge in '91. Schuerholz also had the grounds crew completely re-do the infield. A sense of professionalism was brought to the organization that altered the culture of losing.

Agreed the Cox probably did get too cautious with all of the stockpiled arms. Fortunately, he rebuffed offers for Glavine and Avery, but others could have been made available. Pete Smith was a John Mullen acquisition, and did not become what was expected. Lilliquist was a high first rounder, who did not emerge. Mercker left for basically nothing, IIRC. The combined no-hitter was pretty cool, but maybe they could have gotten something more serviceable for him sooner? Including Tommy Greene in the Murphy deal would quite literally come back to haunt them in '93. Cox made a number of trade/FA blunders during his tenure as GM. Probably deserves its own thread, and we can at least let JS enjoy the moment now.

[goldfly]

You're wrong on both of these. There's no point in having an executive wing if they aren't in it.

well, i don't think this is a right or wrong issue

it's my opinion that i would never allow Selig in and i wouldn't have voted for JS to go in either

[CyYoung31]

well, i don't think this is a right or wrong issue

it's my opinion that i would never allow Selig in and i wouldn't have voted for JS to go in either

You're a weird guy.

[goldfly]

Thank you