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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    Agreed. There will always be things that are not quantifiable unless you watch the games.
    Pretty sure things like taking extra bases and throwing out runners are quantifiable and why Ender's WAR is what it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GovClintonTyree View Post
    If Mallex Smith proves to have 15-20 HR power along with leading the league in triples and stolen bases every year, and presuming strong defense, that would play nicely in RF.
    Oh, well holy crap, yeah.

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    http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/ender...little-longer/


    WARNING: WAR is mentioned and how much that WAR is going to be worth in the future

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    Quote Originally Posted by smootness View Post
    I love Inciarte, and these kind of things are accounted for in advanced metrics. Obviously there are limits to it, and it's hard to ever know if things are being valued accurately, but part of Inciarte's value comes from being an above-average baserunner, and it does factor into his WAR.
    You can factor in some just based on the positive results but I don't think even advanced stats are able to get at the impact of playing the game like Inciarte does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by striker42 View Post
    You can factor in some just based on the positive results but I don't think even advanced stats are able to get at the impact of playing the game like Inciarte does.
    What are these extra impacts that aren't accounted for?

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    Quote Originally Posted by striker42 View Post
    You can factor in some just based on the positive results but I don't think even advanced stats are able to get at the impact of playing the game like Inciarte does.
    I have no problem with this opinion, but without knowing more about the advanced stats and what they measure, it's just basically a guess. They do attempt to factor all of this in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heyward View Post
    Wouldnt have been against trading him for a haul but cant complain with this move.
    yep mallex is probably gone though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Perfect Cell View Post
    yep mallex is probably gone though.
    Hopefully for Chance Sisco.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carp View Post
    Imo, this actually increases his value if we ever did want to trade him in the next year or so.
    Initial reaction was that the announcement would put a quick end to this silliness...but apparently not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smootness View Post
    I have no problem with this opinion, but without knowing more about the advanced stats and what they measure, it's just basically a guess. They do attempt to factor all of this in.
    One of the things I'm getting at is that you'll look at a guy like Ender at the end of the year and he'll have exceeded his projections, he'll seem to be a little better than his peripherals support, and you can very easily conclude that he's a little bit lucky. But guys like Ender can sustain that "luck" as it's the result of them making more opportunities for themselves. It's not always clear that's the case when looking at the stats. It's hard to tell the difference between a guy who is lucky in that his teammates are getting him over more than the average and a guy who plays heads up and takes an extra base.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Perfect Cell View Post
    yep mallex is probably gone though.
    I'd personally rather get rid of Neck, but you're probably right. I'd love to have a Kemp/Ender/Mallex OF. That would be beautiful, and they could help mask some of Kemp's defensive deficiencies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freshmaker View Post
    I'd personally rather get rid of Neck, but you're probably right. I'd love to have a Kemp/Ender/Mallex OF. That would be beautiful, and they could help mask some of Kemp's defensive deficiencies.
    i wish they traded markakis too, just cant see it happening.

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    Now that its clear Inciarte is here for the foreseeable future I am absolutely in favor of trading Markakis. Mallex has certainly earned the chance to play everyday. I think he is going to end up surpassing many of the expectations set out for him.
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    I still think the best possible OF for us with our current players is Kemp-Inciarte-Mallex. I'd much rather deal Markakis and roll into 2017 with that trio.

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    Just to point out the obvious that hasn't been stated...

    Unless Heyward makes some kind of massive adjustments at the plate, that contract may well go down as one of the worst in history. Heyward's going to have to do something amazing to justify 6 times as much money based mainly on baserunning and defense.
    Has there EVER been a statement and question a certain someone should absolutely never have made and asked publicly more than...

    Kinda pathetic to see yourself as a message board knight in shining armor. How impotent does someone have to be in real life to resort to playing hero on a message board?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Russ2dollas View Post
    Has anyone other than u said he could ever be a hitter like that? I've never seen double digit hrs projected much less 20

    I want no part of kemp in rf
    Testy, aren't we? I'm pointing out an uptick that could just be small sample size, but maybe not. I haven't seen anyone else posit that Mallex might have more sock than a .600 OPS slap hitter.

    A full season of at bats with Mallex's last year's HR/AB would be 10. That's more than he had at any level, so you've got to think he's getting stronger. I'm projecting a little more power as he develops.

    The triples, the SB and the improvement once he gets acclimated at every level are pretty well documented.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smootness View Post
    Oh, well holy crap, yeah.
    Not that much of a stretch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thewupk View Post
    What are these extra impacts that aren't accounted for?
    Oh, for God's sake. Allow a little mystery and intangible, would you? I think it's great that your crowd is measuring everything but their d*ck size. There are still unmeasurables, and even the most saber-savvy front offices acknowledge that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GovClintonTyree View Post
    Not that much of a stretch.
    Ignoring the obvious with the HR projection, does Billy Hamilton die in this scenario?

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