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    Quote Originally Posted by jpx7 View Post
    No offense, bro, but come on: you best not throw stones on this score.

    (I should clarify—as I don't mean to pick on you, but when you call President Obama "arguably the worst president of all time" [it isn't really arguable: he has not been—nor was Bush II, for that matter], it makes it difficult to take your accusations of others' partisanship seriously.)
    Obamas foreign policy record stands on its own. The number threat to world peace is radical Islamic The world is more unstable and dangerous. ANd his lack of swift actions long ago set the battle pieces up for the next 100 years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    Obamas foreign policy record stands on its own. The number threat to world peace is radical Islamic The world is more unstable and dangerous. ANd his lack of swift actions long ago set the battle pieces up for the next 100 years.
    Radical Islam -- kind of a loaded term that signifies --- nothing

    how many Americans on American soil died from " Radical Islam" in the past year ?
    how many Americans were shot by american police in the past year ?

    Not saying that American police is the greatest danger we face but pointing out data doesn't square with your premise
    .......

    I would say the contextual jury is still out on Obama's foreign policy.
    I thought it knee jerk invading Afghanistan --- so what do I know

    I thought it was whack going into Iraq and lighting the match in the first place.

    Kinda like Obama said about the economy "they drove the car in the ditch asked us to get it out -- then stand on the road yelling it isn't fast enough "
    To my mind -- criticism of Obama's foreign policy starts with that notion.
    After that , there have been no good options -- outside of just wahsing our hands of the mess.
    But, the pottery barn Colin Powell spoke of.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jpx7 View Post
    Do we love Snowden or hate him? Or does it depend on whose allegiances are helped/hurt by what he's leaking in a given week?

    Just checking the pulse and all.
    I love him

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    I came of political age at the time of Daniel Ellsberg.
    Snowdon is a pussy -

    why the language of
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    People tend to forget how much of the 2016 playbook had already been used in earlier years. Remember, the Clinton administration was besieged by constant accusations of corruption, dutifully hyped as major stories by the news media; not one of these alleged scandals turned out to involve any actual wrongdoing. Not incidentally, James Comey, the F.B.I. director whose intervention almost surely swung the election, had previously worked for the Whitewater committee, which spent seven years obsessiv
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    Quote Originally Posted by jpx7 View Post
    Do we love Snowden or hate him? Or does it depend on whose allegiances are helped/hurt by what he's leaking in a given week?

    Just checking the pulse and all.
    i'm a fan of Snowden
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    Quote Originally Posted by 57Brave View Post
    Radical Islam -- kind of a loaded term that signifies --- nothing

    how many Americans on American soil died from " Radical Islam" in the past year ?
    how many Americans were shot by american police in the past year ?

    Not saying that American police is the greatest danger we face but pointing out data doesn't square with your premise
    .......

    I would say the contextual jury is still out on Obama's foreign policy.
    I thought it knee jerk invading Afghanistan --- so what do I know

    I thought it was whack going into Iraq and lighting the match in the first place.

    Kinda like Obama said about the economy "they drove the car in the ditch asked us to get it out -- then stand on the road yelling it isn't fast enough "
    To my mind -- criticism of Obama's foreign policy starts with that notion.
    After that , there have been no good options -- outside of just wahsing our hands of the mess.
    But, the pottery barn Colin Powell spoke of.
    The wests inability to see this is a global war saddens me. Whether the loss is in france/germany/USA/Britain/Turkey/etc... doesn't matter. This is a global war. To compare police activity of dealing with people breaking the law (mostly) to religious fanatics that behead people proves your ignorance on the topic.
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    “Trump mentioned Wikileaks 164 times in last month of election, now claims it didn’t impact …”

    divided by 31 that equals .....

    5+ times a day for a month
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    Quote Originally Posted by 57Brave View Post
    “Trump mentioned Wikileaks 164 times in last month of election, now claims it didn’t impact …”

    divided by 31 that equals .....

    5+ times a day for a month
    Trump should stop staying it didn't have an impact because it clearly did.

    However, he wasn't wrong to use the information.
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    I'm still not sure what damning information

    John Podesta's pizza plans ?
    Chelsea Clinton went off on someone ?

    Good lord, y'all are gullible
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    I'm sorry you feel that way after knowing what has been released. You are a true partisan to the end.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    I'm sorry you feel that way after knowing what has been released. You are a true partisan to the end.
    Over the past 25 years if there was something there outside of whisper campaign -- there would have been indictments

    There are/were no indictments because there was/were no cases of "corruption"
    We have seen more evidence of blatant corruption in the past 6 weeks yet ...

    Not real good at keeping your eye on the ball, are ya ?,
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    Quote Originally Posted by 57Brave View Post
    Over the past 25 years if there was something there outside of whisper campaign -- there would have been indictments

    There are/were no indictments because there was/were no cases of "corruption"
    We have seen more evidence of blatant corruption in the past 6 weeks yet ...

    Not real good at keeping your eye on the ball, are ya ?,
    Was that the topic of this discussion?
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    Kinda is

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    Quote Originally Posted by 57Brave View Post
    Kinda is
    No, it really isn't.

    THe discussion is the hacks. IT'S THE TOPIC OF THE THREAD!!!

    It has absolutely nothing to do with the shady dealing of Trump. By all means start that discussion in another thread but don't derail this one because you can't defend a statement that the contents of the Podesta e-mails weren't damning at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    However, he wasn't wrong to use the information.
    Tell me, if the hacks weren't about corruption were they really about John Podesta's dinner plans ?
    Like I've been saying for months most of you wouldn't know corruption if it stole your wallet and bought your wife a dress.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 57Brave View Post
    I'm still not sure what damning information

    John Podesta's pizza plans ?
    Chelsea Clinton went off on someone ?

    Good lord, y'all are gullible
    If the information wasn't damning, then why do you think it made an impact?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    If the information wasn't damning, then why do you think it made an impact?
    WOW - Brilliant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    If the information wasn't damning, then why do you think it made an impact?
    Perception.

    People don't have to look up the facts to perceive there's wrongdoing. We've already seen how one guy shot up the pizza joint because of spoof news. Now expand that to millions of average joes that vote but don't fact check or source their "news".

    We'll never know how much the hacks and leaks helped Trump. It was a close race within the margin of error. Trump seems to be diverting and saying people are blaming the voting machines. Nobody has even brought that up except him.

    To be honest I'd like to see what the hackers got on the RNC that they didn't release. Could be used to blackmail the GOP moving forward.
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