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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    The crux of Cameron's take on this trade hinges on Mallex being a 4th OFer. I think he is easily a 2-3 WAR starting caliber CFer, not a 0-1 WAR bench player.
    I'm not as high on Mallex as many here. I think he could be that 2-3 WAR CFer, but I think the most likely role is as a 4th OF on the heavy side of a platoon. Still, I'm nervous about Gohara. Maybe I'll feel better about this as I learn more about him, but he looks like a very risky asset.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mqt View Post
    LHP that can hit 100 and could still potentially start don't grow on trees. I like this deal for the same reason I liked the Alex Jackson deal, and that's because the upside is immense. It's risky, but we've built a level of depth that allows us to take on those risks.
    true. just sometimes wonder what else could be had if you package Smith with other prospects. Could our return been better?

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    Mariners just flipped Mallex to Rays for Smyly, damn

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    Quote Originally Posted by mqt View Post
    To be fair, the report that had him as a bullpen guy was Farnsworth, who had Gant as our second best prospect last year.
    That guy should never be trusted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    Now reports suggest they will flip Mallex to the Rays for pitching. This board would have a melt down if the Ms used Mallex to get a starting pitcher from the Rays haha!!

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/0...&post-id=82369
    well....

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    Surely Coppy knew he could get Smyly in a simple package around Smith. All I can think is that the report of Coppy almost making a deal for Archer was true and centered around Smith and others. Tampa countered and said they'd give Smyly and Coppy said no but the Mariners still really wanted him and figured out how.

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    Quote Originally Posted by braves31win View Post
    Mariners just flipped Mallex to Rays for Smyly, damn
    Wow, they wanted another starter, they got him. By getting Mallex from Coppy.

    Doesn't this feel like your best friend banging your girlfriend?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zbhargrove View Post
    Surely Coppy knew he could get Smyly in a simple package around Smith. All I can think is that the report of Coppy almost making a deal for Archer was true and centered around Smith and others. Tampa countered and said they'd give Smyly and Coppy said no but the Mariners still really wanted him and figured out how.
    That's a likely scenario.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thewupk View Post
    well....
    It's funny because I suggested a trade with the Rays for Smyly centered around Smith long before the Braves went on their binge of acquiring starters with 1 year of control.

    Smyly projects at 2.5 WAR next year, which is better than every single pitcher on the Braves roster not named Julio Teheran. Actually, according to FG projections, Smyly would be the best pitcher on the Braves staff, even better than Julio. Unbelievably bad series of moves for the Braves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zbhargrove View Post
    Surely Coppy knew he could get Smyly in a simple package around Smith. All I can think is that the report of Coppy almost making a deal for Archer was true and centered around Smith and others. Tampa countered and said they'd give Smyly and Coppy said no but the Mariners still really wanted him and figured out how.
    Why would the Rays want Smith so badly? They have Kiermaier.

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    It wasn't simply flipping Mallex for Smyly. The Vargas kid is a big international signing SS from 2015 who has huge tools. This would be like us trading Mallex and Pache/Cruz for Smyly. Considering Smyly is almost eligible for free agency, don't think he makes much sense for us.

    I don't love the trade, but Gohara seems interesting enough. If he has a big year this year then we have a top 100 prospect in lieu of a solid 4th OF. I get the logic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GovClintonTyree View Post
    Why would the Rays want Smith so badly? They have Kiermaier.
    I'm guessing they flip Kier to another team. He is hitting arb this year, and that's typically when the Rays start looking to unload a guy and get younger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NYCBrave View Post
    I guess this means Enciarte is looked at as a long term piece.
    The extension indicated as much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chop2chip View Post
    It wasn't simply flipping Mallex for Smyly. The Vargas kid is a big international signing SS from 2015 who has huge tools. This would be like us trading Mallex and Pache/Cruz for Smyly.

    I don't love the trade, but Gohara seems interesting enough. If he has a big year this year then we have a top 100 prospect in lieu of a solid 4th OF. I get the logic.
    2017 projected WAR for a few pitchers of interest:

    Teheran - 2.4
    Garcia - 2.3
    Colon - 2.2
    Dickey - 1.8
    Folty - 1.8

    Smyly - 2.5

    Seems Coppy done ****ed up in building his rotation for 2017.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knucksie View Post
    The extension indicated as much.
    The extension increased his trade value since he signed at under market value.

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    Neglected to mention this transaction:

    Seattle has designated righty Cody Martin to clear roster space.
    Another name from the past.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    2017 projected WAR for a few pitchers of interest:

    Teheran - 2.4
    Garcia - 2.3
    Colon - 2.2
    Dickey - 1.8
    Folty - 1.8

    Smyly - 2.5

    Seems Coppy done ****ed up in building his rotation for 2017.
    He's negligibly better than the rest of those guys and they didn't cost an asset to acquire. Smyly has two years of control left where, unless he makes a jump, isn't going to provide that much (!!!!)surplus value(!!!!).

    If you're upset, be upset with the trade we did make as opposed to the one we didn't make (and shouldn't have made)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    2017 projected WAR for a few pitchers of interest:

    Teheran - 2.4
    Garcia - 2.3
    Colon - 2.2
    Dickey - 1.8
    Folty - 1.8

    Smyly - 2.5

    Seems Coppy done ****ed up in building his rotation for 2017.
    I don't suppose I need to point out that those are projections and they typically have to play the games before reaching conclusions. One could easily make the argument that Teheran is way low and Smyly too high.

    Nevertheless, if somebody was going to flip Mallex Smith for Drew Smyly, I wish it had been us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chop2chip View Post
    It wasn't simply flipping Mallex for Smyly. The Vargas kid is a big international signing SS from 2015 who has huge tools. This would be like us trading Mallex and Pache/Cruz for Smyly. Considering Smyly is almost eligible for free agency, don't think he makes much sense for us.

    I don't love the trade, but Gohara seems interesting enough. If he has a big year this year then we have a top 100 prospect in lieu of a solid 4th OF. I get the logic.
    Smyly has 2 years before FA I believe. Still of the options Gohora is a better long term fit if you are moving Mallex. While Smyly does project to be better than Colon, Dickey, and Garcia the difference is negligible. They are essentially interchangeable and gone after a year or two anyways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NYCBrave View Post
    The extension increased his trade value since he signed at under market value.
    If there was any indication that they'd pull a stunt like that with the intention of trading him, just because of message board sentiment, it sure hasn't been shown publicly.

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