I don't necessarily think 2 years of Smyly (plus the associated cost of acquiring him in terms of high upside youngsters) is better for this team than taking a chance on Gohara. Quite a few of the prospect writers seem pretty high on him, and he's a 20-year-old who got his body in line last year and then saw tremendous success after doing so.Originally Posted by thewupk
Ender being the better player and willing to sign a super team friendly deal doesn't automatically equate to Mallex being a 4th OF even if that would be his role on this team in 2017.
If I were updating Top 30 just for this, I'd have Gohara at No. 13 on my Top 30. Four years in extended spring gives me pause.
I would agree that of the two moves then Gohara is the better move for this team. I'd bet a lot that Tampa offered Smyly to us for Mallex + and we said no.
Clearly Mallex isn't valued as a starting CF right now. Smyly is 2 years from FA and isn't really all that valuable. He is a flawed starter that could be good or could have another 2016. The thing with Mallex is he has the potential to substantially up his value in one season. I'm sure after this year we will have a better idea if the Braves sold low on him or accurately depicted him as a 4th OF.
Why are we sure that Smyly is valuable?
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If he's not then giving up Mallex + for him means that Mallex has very little value. Which brings me back to my point. As a 4th OF this trade is fine. If you think Mallex will be a starting CF then we didn't get enough. IMO with these two trades we saw 3 different teams value Mallex as 4th OF today.
50PoundHead (01-12-2017), Jaw (01-12-2017)
The kid we got sounds like he has a dynamite arm. He's far away so odds are against hm but I don't agree with you
Wrong thread
Last edited by rico43; 01-12-2017 at 01:27 AM.
That's fine. I just don't think if the Braves viewed Mallex as a starting CF they would trade him for a lottery ticket.
clvclv (01-12-2017)
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If his slider is as good as Touki's curve, then I like this trade.
This guy would be like Wisler except lefty and with an effective fastball.
Also, Randy Ventura can be the next Mallex (Being serious actually think Mallex is a good 4th OF/low end starter and am kinda meh on this trade. Wish I lived near our high A team now though).
Last edited by Managuarantano's Volunteers; 01-11-2017 at 10:08 PM.
From Rosenthal piece:
Two scouts texted me Wednesday — unsolicited — after the Mariners traded one of their top pitching prospects, left-hander Luiz Gohara, to the Braves.
“Giving up Gohara, worst move EVER!!” the first scout said.
“Best pitcher in the Arizona Fall League,” the second scout said, adding that he saw Gohara throw 97 to 100 mph in an outing late in the AFL season.
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Ok
But couldn't you say that about everyone? Gohara could put it all together and be a top 50 prospect. Then you can't get him
It's like if we traded Ruiz now. He's young for aaa. Maybe adds power and or becomes ok vs Lh.
Really interesting. Very few seem to be viewing it like that from the Braves perspective. Most seem to be saying "another lottery ticket, small chance of cashing", but these (unnamed) scouts seem to be saying something very different. Perhaps the first unnamed scout is given to hype and the second has a poor opinion of all the other AFL pitchers. I have no idea if he'll be good, but I don't mind seeing that some "scouts" apparently think he will.
I think that's exactly what the Rays plan. They will likely let him play every day in AAA, flip Kier next offseason when he starts to get expensive, and use Mallex in CF for the next 2-3 years.
Trading pitchers with 1-2 years of control remaining for younger assets is an excellent move, and I hope the Braves make a habit of doing the same.
Sure. Technically anyone could bust out at any point. These things happen. I just don't see this as a scenario where the Braves see Mallex as a starting CF and then trade him for Gahora who they believe is on the verge of becoming a huge prospect. They likely see Mallex as a 4th OF with a chance to become a regular and Gahora as a young kid with a big arm with a chance to make some noise. Again, the fact that Mallex was sent with someone else for Smyly suggests the M's and Rays saw him pretty much the same way.
I understand that the odds are great that Mallex is likely destined to be a 4th OF/platoon guy. But I do like his game and would have given him more of an opportunity after coming back from injury to show it before making a decision.
nsacpi (01-12-2017)
If you're going to quote the Rosenthal piece, you should also quote the part where he mentions the Reds scuttling a trade involving Gohara because they didn't like the medicals on his shouder.
Braves1976 (01-12-2017), rico43 (01-12-2017), Tapate50 (01-12-2017)
I won't lie, I was able to sleep on it, and I'm still on board with this trade. I think Gohara could be a good 2-3 starter moving forward, or he could be an all-important chip for a larger trade. Look, I'll miss Mallex, and even more Simmons when he's healthy, but I think our moves have been smart. If there is indeed a sore shoulder issue, I don't like the deal as much. But with what we know now, I'm a fan. Smith just wasn't a part of our plans moving forward -- and it's pretty obvious even before the trade.
Now: GO BRAVES!
I believe Simmons was going to be arbitration eligible next year, which is another factor in to flipping him out of that whole group of righty 6th and 7th inning guys.
I'm thnking we sign two more vets to hopefully flip in July woth the 2 new 40 man roster spots. I just hope it's not Frenchy and KJ.
Last edited by Chico; 01-12-2017 at 07:04 AM.
I'm down with KJ, but I don't want anything to do with Frenchy. I do think we make another big-time move though. This just seems like a precurser to a much bigger trade -- may not be -- but seems like it.
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