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    Quote Originally Posted by striker42 View Post
    IIRC, Wren was the GM when we got Kotchman.
    I stand corrected.

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    1) Melky Cabrera
    2) Melky Cabrera
    3) Dan Kolb
    4) Melky Cabrera
    5) Regg.... nah still Melky Cabrera
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tapate50 View Post
    1) Melky Cabrera
    2) Melky Cabrera
    3) Dan Kolb
    4) Melky Cabrera
    5) Regg.... nah still Melky Cabrera
    Believe folks are getting Kolb confused with big, fat Rob Wickman, who had the run-in with Cox on the place over his usage. Essentially, he was fired during the season.

    1. Hector Olivera
    2. Melky Cabrera
    3. Damaso Garcia
    4. Raul Mondesi
    5. Casey Kotchman

    Here is the lowdown on Reggie Sanders. He grew up in South Carolina a Braves fan, and being a Brave allowed his mom to watch him play for the first time. It killed him that he didn't contribute -- but in September, he actually carried the Braves (.345-5-18 for the month) to the postseason. I covered the club daily at the time and knew Reggie personally. He wanted it, maybe too much, but the braves don't reach the postseason without his September.

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    Yeah, for whatever reason, I actually felt bad for Dan Kolb.

    Surhoff is a good one. IIRC he wasn't happy to be traded out of Baltimore and he was mediocre for Atlanta.

    A few more (based on performance rather than behavior):

    Alex Gonzalez
    Rey Sanchez
    Rico Brogna
    Yunel Escobar
    Chris Reitsma
    Albie Lopez

    Andy Ashby (what a waste of Bruce Chen)
    Last edited by Hawk; 01-17-2017 at 02:39 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawk View Post
    Yeah, for whatever reason, I actually felt bad for Dan Kolb.

    Surhoff is a good one. IIRC he wasn't happy to be traded out of Baltimore and he was mediocre for Atlanta.

    A few more (based on performance rather than behavior):

    Alex Gonzalez
    Rey Sanchez
    Rico Brogna
    Yunel Escobar
    Chris Reitsma
    Albie Lopez

    Andy Ashby (what a waste of Bruce Chen)
    hmm

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    Quote Originally Posted by thewupk View Post
    hmm
    He was a steaming pile of garbage in 2010.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawk View Post
    He was a steaming pile of garbage in 2010.
    Sure. But he still hit 291/368/403 for the Braves overall. Just odd that someone would cite performance as a reason to not like Yunel when it was his behavior that got him traded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    Btw the most horrific performance in the post-season I've ever seen from a Brave came from a player I liked quite a bit. So I won't name him.
    Brooks Conrad?

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    Quote Originally Posted by thewupk View Post
    Sure. But he still hit 291/368/403 for the Braves overall. Just odd that someone would cite performance as a reason to not like Yunel when it was his behavior that got him traded.
    Several of the players I mentioned were, at times, decent in a Braves uniform. Some were even better than decent before they came to Atlanta.

    I guess I could have added the overly specific caveat "performance relative to expectations" in the case of Escobar, but that doesn't negate the fact that he was roundly horrible - by any standard - in his final days as a Brave.

    Would he have been traded had he been putting together a 2009 campaign instead of his 2010 effort? I don't think so. If anything, his attitude issues were highlighted by his poor play, but they had been there since he debuted.

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    Kenny Lofton
    Brett Boone
    Garrett Anderson
    John Rocker
    BJ Upton

    Honorable mention: Chris Johnson

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carp View Post
    Kenny Lofton
    Brett Boone
    Garrett Anderson
    John Rocker
    BJ Upton

    Honorable mention: Chris Johnson
    Anderson was the guy I couldn't think of. He was awful in LF. Good call on CJ... although he did have that great season that led him to getting an extension that helped bring down Wren. so I am ok with CJ in a defacto way.

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    At Scout, it was daily ritual that somebody would launch into a rant about Brian Jordan v. 2.0 and Mondesi. Some goofballs even combined their names into Jordesi. As much raw suckage as there was, they were making minimal salary and didn't last that long. So, it seemed like wasted energy. Guys like Fick, Wickman and Melky, it was easy to see dislike with their attitudes.

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    Kind of confused about the Damaso Garcia mention. That came up previously in another thread. Not sure what he did that was so wrong, especially since he was there during the Dark Days. He was just another Bobby connection from Toronto, and didn't really cause any specific damage after Hubbard was gone with a void at 2B.



    My vote goes to Ozzie Virgil. The guy never fit in and was basically a prick. The deal cost Steve Bedrosian. Bredrosian would go on to win a Cy Young as a Phillie, while the Braves were dedicated to the Ted-instigaged FA deal with all world closer Bruce Sutter, who promptly developed Bell's Palsy and at least one other ailment, as his career imploded in Atlanta. Pete Smith also was included in this trade, and did not amount to much. Milt Thompson have also gone to Phily. (Too lazy to verify if this was the same transaction.) Thompon was useful for a spell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knucksie View Post
    At Scout, it was daily ritual that somebody would launch into a rant about Brian Jordan v. 2.0 and Mondesi. Some goofballs even combined their names into Jordesi. As much raw suckage as there was, they were making minimal salary and didn't last that long. So, it seemed like wasted energy. Guys like Fick, Wickman and Melky, it was easy to see dislike with their attitudes.

    @rico43 :
    Kind of confused about the Damaso Garcia mention. That came up previously in another thread. Not sure what he did that was so wrong, especially since he was there during the Dark Days. He was just another Bobby connection from Toronto, and didn't really cause any specific damage after Hubbard was gone with a void at 2B.



    My vote goes to Ozzie Virgil. The guy never fit in and was basically a prick. The deal cost Steve Bedrosian. Bredrosian would go on to win a Cy Young as a Phillie, while the Braves were dedicated to the Ted-instigaged FA deal with all world closer Bruce Sutter, who promptly developed Bell's Palsy and at least one other ailment, as his career imploded in Atlanta. Pete Smith also was included in this trade, and did not amount to much. Milt Thompson have also gone to Phily. (Too lazy to verify if this was the same transaction.) Thompon was useful for a spell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawk View Post
    Several of the players I mentioned were, at times, decent in a Braves uniform. Some were even better than decent before they came to Atlanta.

    I guess I could have added the overly specific caveat "performance relative to expectations" in the case of Escobar, but that doesn't negate the fact that he was roundly horrible - by any standard - in his final days as a Brave.

    Would he have been traded had he been putting together a 2009 campaign instead of his 2010 effort? I don't think so. If anything, his attitude issues were highlighted by his poor play, but they had been there since he debuted.
    If he was still hitting in 2010 then I doubt he gets traded. Same as if he didn't have those attitude issues he likely wouldn't of been traded the first time he really struggled either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gilesfan View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by gilesfan View Post
    WHo you calling goofball, old man?
    Just turned 50...if that's considered old these days?

    Since you felt the urge to reply on one small portion of the post, it probably hit home. If you used the expression, "Jordesi," you've got the maturity level of an 11 year old girl. Then considering your fetish for Harper on a Braves board, since Kelly didn't turn into the Golden Boy.

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    The Nike-provoked incident with football/baseball games the same day, and then dumping water on Tim McCarver was rather classless. Aside from that fact, his shopping trip with Avery was legendary in Braves lore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thewupk View Post
    If he was still hitting in 2010 then I doubt he gets traded. Same as if he didn't have those attitude issues he likely wouldn't of been traded the first time he really struggled either.
    He had attitude issues in 2009. He was benched twice.

    Technically, it was his bat in 2010 and inconsistent defense (for a team that heavily [Hudson/Lowe] relied on it) which prompted the Braves to move him in a really shortsighted win-now deal. That he didn't get along with Cox or the media was certainly a factor which contributed to the trade, but to characterize the move as being born purely out of Escobar's 'behavior' is inaccurate I think.

    It was a bad trade, even still.
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