Trump is a master of distraction. He's going hard for the wall to turn attention away from Mueller IMO. I don't have any emotional attachment to the issue - I'm fine if the wall gets built and fine if it doesn't. But he's turned the issue into a "crisis" because the investigation is winding down
I am reading talk of overriding a Trump veto.
Those things aren't floated unless there is a path
The best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is to make sure he doesn’t get a gun.
Somebody still likely continue to expend tax dollars on the service. I can't speak for everywhere else, but the primary airport in Minnesota is run by the Metropolitan Airports Commission and I wouldn't be surprised if that model isn't in place throughout the country. If not, my guess is the airlines would really jack up ticket prices to pay for the service.
goldfly (01-13-2019)
Found this interesting... not that it wasn't already obvious that Trump has caused all democrats (and many Rs) to completely abandon their principles
This is what coordinated propaganda gets you. A shining example is how Super/Golfly think its stupid for someone on Long Island to care about Illegal Immigration when we have MS-13 killing teenage girls here. They don't know about these things and its scary.
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I have a different take on this. People can talk about border security in good faith.
But the wall is now a symbol. And symbols have a way of becoming sacred. It is sacred to Trump's base. And it has become sacred to a lot of people who stand in opposition to him. How did it happen? Well it has become part and parcel of a program to demonize an entire population with words likes rapists and murderers. Expressing a preference for more immigrants from Norway and fewer from ****hole countries is part of it too.
So now you have a large number of people dug in on both sides of this issue. McConnell told Trump that even if Schumer and Pelosi were interested in a deal to fund the wall that they would not be able to get the votes from their caucus. It would be political suicide for them. McConnell's right about that.
I'm convinced there are sensible steps to improve border security and our immigration system that can get bipartisan support. But somehow we have to find a way to make the discussion less theocratic.
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"I am a victim, I will tell you. I am a victim."
"I am your retribution."
Well...as I belatedly added to the post you quoted, I think there are sensible steps that can get bipartisan support. But the approach has to change. Maybe the Republicans can bypass the president. That seems to be the most promising route at this point.
The compromise that might be available is to re-open government and appoint a commission to come up with some proposals for improving border security and the immigration system. Get people talking to each other in a rational way.
I think the Congress was moving toward immigration reform until Cantor got primaried. Its been dead since. But there is still a reasonable compromise available if people negotiate in good faith.
Last edited by nsacpi; 01-14-2019 at 05:58 PM.
"I am a victim, I will tell you. I am a victim."
"I am your retribution."
The Dems last yeae offered him a wall for DACA protections. He turned it down.
Ever since then, they've had Pence using the "waiting for the courts to rule on DACA" line because Trump was too dumb to turn it down.
As nsacpi said the wall has become a symbol of demagoguery. Not only that, it's only going to get torn down in 20 years.
Forever Fredi
well chain migration for many of us is family reunification...but there are other reforms that i think can be part of a bipartisan deal...for example, i think everyone pretty much agrees that you want to make it easier to have highly skilled workers come in...and a migrant farm labor program makes a lot of sense too...and a better tracking system to discourage people from overstaying their visas
"I am a victim, I will tell you. I am a victim."
"I am your retribution."
Well, if 45 wasn't so busy trying to sell everyone on the wall, then we could have a rational discussion about the lottery and chain.
How can you blame the Dems for negotiating with a child. He wants a wall, they offered to give his wall in exchange for DACA. He said no.
Trump had majorities in both chambers for 2 years. He got the tax cut act passed no problem. He could have gotten the wall if he wanted. The way McConnell and Ryan bent over to him for almost 2 years. If the wall and border is a big national emergency he should have spent his political capital early on, on that instead of the tax act, aca repeal attempts, and issuing all of the executive orders just to spite Obama.
Forever Fredi
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