Wasn't touki on his top 100 last year?
Wasn't touki on his top 100 last year?
I think people are still sleeping on Soroka. Guy has a nice pitch mix, the frame, and peripherals to be a durn good pitcher. Guys can't barrel him up as is and has only allowed 3 hrs (I think) in his pro career to date. Not walking guys either...
I read on FG that he's no more than a #4 I think, and if so, he would be the most solid #4 in the game if he progresses. Maybe in a rotation with Allard, Newcomb, Julio, Folty, Touki he would be a 4\5!
Ivermectin Man
Yes, I think he was 90 last year.Originally Posted by thethe
Soroka doesn't wow you with a high 90s fastball or a Touki like curve. That gets him overlooked by a lot of people. But he's not out there throwing 87 and just getting guys out by being crafty. His stuff is solid and he projects to have excellent command. Capping his ceiling as a #4 is a mistake. I think he has the potential to be a a mid-3's ERA workhorse in the majors. Maybe even better than that if his secondary stuff continues to improve.
If there's any publication I don't trust anymore regarding prospects, it is Fangraphs.
He didn't have the kind of K-rate in A-ball you usually see from a top prospect, but he was also 18. It's possible he could repeat A this year and make that jump to 11 or so. I know he'll start in A+, but it seems too early in his development to say he'll never be more than a 4.
We took fsngraphs lifeblood for prospect evaluation.
If anything it helps his likelihood of contributing in the majors more than others with a flash pitch that have to develop secondary offerings. Guy could continue to outpitch the rankings. I think he likely will.
Ivermectin Man
Keith law has been **** on for over a decade by this and the other board for anti-braves bias. Now he says nice things about the braves prospects and all is forgiven?
thewupk (01-26-2017)
Mostly because he was proven right about how awful Wren was.
I'm pretty sure he just disagreed with safe picks like Mike Minor. Something several posters on here agreed with but were mocked for because it went against the organization.
First, what does thethe's comment have to do with Keith Law?
Second, Law never had anti-Braves bias. He clearly has a certain way of valuing prospects that ran counter to the way our former FO did. Sometimes he turns out really wrong, like with Freeman and Sale, but he does a fairly good job overall, and you know what you're getting with him.
Agree.
On Minor Law said he was wrong on him b/c he didn't think Minor would have the velocity increase he did. He didn't have FF or Goldschmit high. I think he's pretty clear that all the way 1B don't rate as high for him. I think the ranking of the kid from the Mets may be him re-calibrating after those two have done so well.
I am surprised Touki went from ranked to not ranked. I think he moved forward last year. Still unlikely.
Others simply progressed more. Not a slam on him; not everyone will advance at the same pace.
He values upside so it's still possible touki is on this list
Natural Immunity Croc
I don't think anyone can put Touki in the top 20.......that would be crazy.
I don't think ppl progressed more. There are a lot of recent draft picks on here. Guys like Maitan and Acuna who haven't done as much but the helium is there for other reasons.
Klaw's job is to predict the future. that is always as hard job. Especially hard with baseball prospects. Even harder with prospects that sign as teenagers.
I think it's the same deal as with Newcomb. Every year guys like that don't fix the control problems is one year closer to them never figuring it out.
Touki did end the year much better than he finished it, and I'm higher on him than I was last year, but I can't blame someone for not being quite as high on him. He'll turn 21 this year, and he'll start in A+. That's not the normal profile of a top prospect. He absolutely won't be in the top 20, there's not even a chance of that happening.
most recent Buster Olney podcast has Law.
Law said he got through 30 prospects with ATL that he thinks all have big league value and that's never happened. Probably could have gone a few more. Did say Yanks have higher ceiling and Pads may too but Pads are to young.
Preacher (01-26-2017)
Damn. That's incredible.
When Farnsworth was their guy their prospect stuff was awful. He's the one that ranked some AAAA pitcher #1 for the Braves.
Now that Longenhagen is there it is probably the best prospect site out there.
Just stop man. Touki is not Top 20 on any list. Turn the homerism down a notch or two.
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