He looked like a good defensive 2B in 2015, but seemed to fall off at all positions in 2016. He plays LF fairly well.Originally Posted by bravesfanMatt
He looked like a good defensive 2B in 2015, but seemed to fall off at all positions in 2016. He plays LF fairly well.
I was a Jace fanboy after 2015.. even after 2016, I was OK, he showed us something for about a month and a half. but I am starting to think he just doesn't have the skill to even be a suitable sub.. offensively, he has showed up in like 3 months over the last 2 years and defensively, he can play 2B ok and LF average. He doesn't have the arm for any other position.
I suspect this is our backup CF.
jpx7 (03-29-2017)
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Paco Rodriguez was released?! I'm guessing he's hurt again and that it's bad. He hasn't pitched in a while and that's the only way it could make sense to release him.
Wait, when did we release him?? he has options left, why would we not send him to extended spring?
Braves announced it on Twitter. That's why I'm guessing he has to be hurt -- optioning him seemed like a no brainer.
jpx7 (03-29-2017)
I never liked trading for Paco Rodriguez despite my love of the name Paco. LOOGY who doesn't even throw 90 mph and in need of TJ surgery, how does that have the slightest bit of value?
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yeah.. also they may want him off the 40 man.. They just agreed to 800k with him I thought. I wonder if that gets voided if cut before opening day.. oh well.. I had hope for him.
It's not like he was the main piece of that trade. He was an additional piece. One thing I've really liked that Coppy's been able to do is add valuable pieces as sort of throw-ins to deals, like draft picks and guys that aren't key pieces but have value. Paco definitely had value. Plenty of guys like that won't work out, but that's why it's good to add as many as you can.
Apparently Paco didn't show he was driven to contribute. So is Kyle Muller the only remaining return in the Olivera deal?
jpx7 (03-29-2017)
directly yes.
You can argue Kemp but we could have cut Olivera, traded a minor leaguer with zero value, agreed to pick up the amount extra we're paying above Olivera's contract, and still gotten the deal done.
The deal that keeps on giving
Braves1976 (03-28-2017), jpx7 (03-29-2017)
The Oliver deal seriously was one of the worst deals in Braves history lol
Braves1976 (03-28-2017), jpx7 (03-29-2017)
It was a bad deal, and Coppy has admitted as much. But it in no way is one of the worst deals ever. In hindsight, we didn't get much but we didn't give up a whole lot, either.
Wentz was taken with the pick in that trade, not Muller.
Braves1976 (03-28-2017), Hawk (03-28-2017), jpx7 (03-29-2017)
Why do people keep saying this? Wood would have saved us from blowing money on someone like Colon. Peraza is on fire and the hype train is going huge this spring... the Reds love him and traded Phillips to give him a spot to play. Both of these players are valuable assets.
We instead have a league average player getting $18M a year clogging up left field for the next 3 years
Braves1976 (03-28-2017), CJ9 (03-28-2017), Hawk (03-28-2017), jpx7 (03-29-2017)
Peraza slashed .325/.352/.411 with the Reds last year. At age 22.
Braves1976 (03-28-2017), jpx7 (03-29-2017)
That remains to be seen but the money involved is a pretty big deal. We are paying a combined 30 million for Kemp and Colon and I doubt we get much more than 2 WAR combined out of both of them. Wood is making 2.8 million and is likely a 1.5-2 WAR pitcher at worst. Then there is Perza who would certainly have a spot on this team as currently constructed.
There is a lot of talk that money spent doesn't really matter when a team is rebuilding (like has been the argument regarding Markakis) and I agree to a point. But a time is coming soon when we will need that money to make legitimate improvements to make this a contender and that can't happen with players like Kemp taking up so much payroll.
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