I gave DJT a chance, now I'm out

[chop2chip]

I voted HRC in the election. To be perfectly honest, I wasn't really all that impressed by her, but I figured I knew what she was and Trump could have been anything. When Trump won, I was skeptically optimistic that maybe once he was in office he would surround himself with enough good voices that he would enact enough sound policies that it would make up for who he was as a person.

With this ban on Muslim immigration, I'm out on him. I gave him a chance and he disappointed.

[cajunrevenge]

Atleast he acknoledges the threat. I dont want a President who blames people for offending Muslims as the reason for things like Bengahzi. I think we need to make a point to offend then so we know who the crazies are. If you are willing to kill for your religion you are a threat.



I have worked with several people from Iran who were good people. I am fine with taking non muslims or muslims who dont take it seriously.

[The Chosen One]

Do you just let any Muslims in your house before opening the door and seeing their Muslim?

[cajunrevenge]

I dont anyone in my home..... when I had one. I dont even answer the door.

[Julio3000]

I wanted to start a "give him a chance" thread earlier, so I'm glad you've started the ball rolling.

This executive order is just staggering, both in its effect and its conception. It appears to have originated from WH policy people and not been passed through State or DHS. It is hard to imagine that professionals--of any political stripe--would sign off on an immigration ban that prevents current green card holders and those on valid visas from re-entering the country. This is what comes of an uncritical adherence to the idea that we're somehow better off with amateurs and so-called outsiders running the show. Never mind that I think that this policy is misguided and xenophobic in even its narrowest interpretation, the fact that it apparently applies to folks who have already been approved to live, work, and contribute to American society is just hard to fathom.

Also in that raft of executive orders is a paragraph that directs DHS thusly:

"...on a weekly basis, make public a comprehensive list of criminal actions committed by aliens and any jurisdiction that ignored or otherwise failed to honor any detainers with respect to such aliens."

Godwin's Law is snapping at my heels right now.

Republicans in Congress seem content to go along with this as long as they get their tax cuts and repeal of the ACA. When is the pivot going to happen? When is this pragmatic, non-ideological Trump going to emerge?

[sturg33]

I wanted to start a "give him a chance" thread earlier, so I'm glad you've started the ball rolling.

This executive order is just staggering, both in its effect and its conception. It appears to have originated from WH policy people and not been passed through State or DHS. It is hard to imagine that professionals--of any political stripe--would sign off on an immigration ban that prevents current green card holders and those on valid visas from re-entering the country. This is what comes of an uncritical adherence to the idea that we're somehow better off with amateurs and so-called outsiders running the show. Never mind that I think that this policy is misguided and xenophobic in even its narrowest interpretation, the fact that it apparently applies to folks who have already been approved to live, work, and contribute to American society is just hard to fathom.

Also in that raft of executive orders is a paragraph that directs DHS thusly:

"...on a weekly basis, make public a comprehensive list of criminal actions committed by aliens and any jurisdiction that ignored or otherwise failed to honor any detainers with respect to such aliens."

Godwin's Law is snapping at my heels right now.

Republicans in Congress seem content to go along with this as long as they get their tax cuts and repeal of the ACA. When is the pivot going to happen? When is this pragmatic, non-ideological Trump going to emerge?

I agree with all this... shocking action

[thethe]

I don't see how you can go about this any differently. There is a real threat out there

[cajunrevenge]

Peoppe are more upset with Trump for blocking immigrants from these countries than they were with Obama for bombing them. If there is no threat from people in these countries why were we bombing them?

[Runnin]

I don't see how you can go about this any differently. There is a real threat out there

There is a bigger threat in here.

[chop2chip]

I don't see how you can go about this any differently. There is a real threat out there

It's wrong thethe

It's unambiguously, morally wrong.

[cajunrevenge]

If you think we have freedom if religion try inventing your own and see how much people respect it. Its more like freedom to choose one of the major religons of the world.




I like how I am the bad guy for not wanting people who think women are property and that there are acceptable situations where you can rape and beat women into the country. We just need an effective way to filter out the ones that feel that way. Even if they dont go out and rape women I am worried about them voting their beliefs. I dont want to give people voting rights who refuse to vote for a woman or employ women.

[The Chosen One]

If you think we have freedom if religion try inventing your own and see how much people respect it. Its more like freedom to choose one of the major religons of the world.

Scientology.

[thethe]

It's wrong thethe

It's unambiguously, morally wrong.

Yes on the face it is wrong.

We don't live in a perfect world and tough choices need to be made. This will make us safer.

[sturg33]

The ban is ridiculous and Republican leaders need to speak up.

Unfortunately, a conservative, small party no longer exists in this country

[goldfly]

i hear ya Chop

could see how it was going to go when he started naming cabinet picks but it's truly a sad day to call ourselves citizens of this country

and his quote while signing it is just utterly pathetic:

" "I'm establishing new vetting measures to keep radical Islamic terrorists out of the United States of America. We don't want 'em here.""

it's like he thinks anyone wants terrorists here.

[rico43]

i hear ya Chop

could see how it was going to go when he started naming cabinet picks but it's truly a sad day to call ourselves citizens of this country

and his quote while signing it is just utterly pathetic:

" "I'm establishing new vetting measures to keep radical Islamic terrorists out of the United States of America. We don't want 'em here.""

it's like he thinks anyone wants terrorists here.

I'm having issues with it, also. But how would you keep radical Islamic terrorists out?

[goldfly]

I'm having issues with it, also. But how would you keep radical Islamic terrorists out?

our vetting process for refugees thus far has done a great job at doing that

[Julio3000]

I'm having issues with it, also. But how would you keep radical Islamic terrorists out?

Use a scalpel, not a sledgehammer. Leverage the power of the people who have actual expertise in the area instead of issuing a royal decree that throws the baby out with the bathwater.

[gilesfan]

Yes on the face it is wrong.

We don't live in a perfect world and tough choices need to be made. This will make us safer.

Make us safer, how? There are far greater threats to us than scary muslims.

[goldfly]

Make us safer, how? There are far greater threats to us than scary muslims.

the march to fascism from Bannon down and through the reports of agents not complying with the law scares me way more than any muslim or terrorist