Page 37 of 95 FirstFirst ... 2735363738394787 ... LastLast
Results 721 to 740 of 1885

Thread: Political Correctness

  1. #721
    A Chip Off the Old Rock Julio3000's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    15,038
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    6,273
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    9,790
    Thanked in
    5,155 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    Williamson's OPed in the WSJ was interesting





    https://www.wsj.com/articles/when-th...-me-1524234850
    Yes, his voice and his opinions are so marginalized that he gets a chance to tell his sad story across, like, 5 different major media platforms.

  2. The Following User Says Thank You to Julio3000 For This Useful Post:

    jpx7 (04-23-2018)

  3. #722
    Very Flirtatious, but Doubts What Love Is. jpx7's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    11,903
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    47,591
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    6,441
    Thanked in
    3,830 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    The power brokers hide behind the auspice of special interests when in reality they don't care at all. It's a veil for the end game.
    I actually agree with you here (I think)—though I’m certain we have very different takeaways for how to redress that “end game”.
    "For all his tattooings he was on the whole a clean, comely looking cannibal."

  4. #723
    I <3 Ron Paul + gilesfan sturg33's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    52,587
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    1,018
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    8,096
    Thanked in
    5,758 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by Julio3000 View Post
    Yes, his voice and his opinions are so marginalized that he gets a chance to tell his sad story across, like, 5 different major media platforms.
    He got fired.

  5. #724
    Shift Leader thethe's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    69,579
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    5,507
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    5,179
    Thanked in
    3,898 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by jpx7 View Post
    I actually agree with you here (I think)—though I’m certain we have very different takeaways for how to redress that “end game”.
    The end game I think is desired by these 'power brokers' would be much more agreeable for you IMO.

  6. #725
    Shift Leader thethe's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    69,579
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    5,507
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    5,179
    Thanked in
    3,898 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    He got fired.
    The denial of what is happening is sad. For someone as bright as Julio to completely ignore the truth makes me lose hope for the rest of the world.

    Have you listened to Jordan peterson?

  7. #726
    Very Flirtatious, but Doubts What Love Is. jpx7's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    11,903
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    47,591
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    6,441
    Thanked in
    3,830 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    The end game I think is desired by these 'power brokers' would be much more agreeable for you IMO.
    You’ll have to explicate what you think that “end game” is, then. I included the hedging parenthetical because I imagined you might have non-law-of-parsimony idea of why “power brokers hide behind the auspices of special interests when in reality they don’t care at all.”
    "For all his tattooings he was on the whole a clean, comely looking cannibal."

  8. #727
    Shift Leader thethe's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    69,579
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    5,507
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    5,179
    Thanked in
    3,898 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by jpx7 View Post
    You’ll have to explicate what you think that “end game” is, then. I included the hedging parenthetical because I imagined you might have non-law-of-parsimony idea of why “power brokers hide behind the auspices of special interests when in reality they don’t care at all.”
    Consolidation of power to the state but in reality a state run by a select group of the wealthy. Elimination of our God given rights in the name if protection.

  9. #728
    Very Flirtatious, but Doubts What Love Is. jpx7's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    11,903
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    47,591
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    6,441
    Thanked in
    3,830 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    Consolidation of power to the state but in reality a state run by a select group of the wealthy. Elimination of our God given rights in the name if protection.
    So yea, I half agree. I don’t think the state, per se, is the problem; nor do I think protection from the rapacity of capital is impossible, or possible in name only. But I do agree the “end game” of such perfidious patronage of “special interests” is consolidation of capital to the hands of capital, and power to the powers-that-be. But that’s the “end game” of capitalism itself, so it’s hardly surprising—as I said, lex parsimoniae.

    So no, if you think the “end game [...] desired by these 'power brokers' would be much more agreeable for” me, then you’ve misunderstood what I find agreeable.
    "For all his tattooings he was on the whole a clean, comely looking cannibal."

  10. #729
    I <3 Ron Paul + gilesfan sturg33's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    52,587
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    1,018
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    8,096
    Thanked in
    5,758 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by jpx7 View Post
    So yea, I half agree. I don’t think the state, per se, is the problem; nor do I think protection from the rapacity of capital is impossible, or possible in name only. But I do agree the “end game” of such perfidious patronage of “special interests” is consolidation of capital to the hands of capital, and power to the powers-that-be. But that’s the “end game” of capitalism itself
    lol

  11. #730
    Very Flirtatious, but Doubts What Love Is. jpx7's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    11,903
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    47,591
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    6,441
    Thanked in
    3,830 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    lol
    So the accumulation of capital is not the end game of capitalism?
    "For all his tattooings he was on the whole a clean, comely looking cannibal."

  12. #731
    Shift Leader thethe's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    69,579
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    5,507
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    5,179
    Thanked in
    3,898 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by jpx7 View Post
    So yea, I half agree. I don’t think the state, per se, is the problem; nor do I think protection from the rapacity of capital is impossible, or possible in name only. But I do agree the “end game” of such perfidious patronage of “special interests” is consolidation of capital to the hands of capital, and power to the powers-that-be. But that’s the “end game” of capitalism itself, so it’s hardly surprising—as I said, lex parsimoniae.

    So no, if you think the “end game [...] desired by these 'power brokers' would be much more agreeable for” me, then you’ve misunderstood what I find agreeable.
    When the power is with the state (sponsored by the rich) that's a socialist system. Always has been.

    When freedom is given to the citizens to make their decisions both economically and socially then that is a blend which leans heavily capitalist.

    This push to regulate speech and what is acceptable thought is beginning of the end.

  13. #732
    I <3 Ron Paul + gilesfan sturg33's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    52,587
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    1,018
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    8,096
    Thanked in
    5,758 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by jpx7 View Post
    So the accumulation of capital is not the end game of capitalism?
    The end game of capitalism is the free exchange of goods and services between consenting parties.

  14. The Following User Says Thank You to sturg33 For This Useful Post:

    thethe (04-24-2018)

  15. #733
    A Chip Off the Old Rock Julio3000's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    15,038
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    6,273
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    9,790
    Thanked in
    5,155 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    The end game of capitalism is the free exchange of goods and services between consenting parties.
    Uhh...

  16. #734
    A Chip Off the Old Rock Julio3000's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    15,038
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    6,273
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    9,790
    Thanked in
    5,155 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    He got fired.
    Because of something he wrote and said. Is he owed employment by the outlet of his choice?

    To my point, how marginalized is his voice if he's publishing multiple op-eds, etc, in other outlets?

  17. #735
    I <3 Ron Paul + gilesfan sturg33's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    52,587
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    1,018
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    8,096
    Thanked in
    5,758 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by Julio3000 View Post
    Uhh...
    That's a good argument.

    I'm now a socialist

  18. #736
    I <3 Ron Paul + gilesfan sturg33's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    52,587
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    1,018
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    8,096
    Thanked in
    5,758 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by Julio3000 View Post
    Because of something he wrote and said. Is he owed employment by the outlet of his choice?

    To my point, how marginalized is his voice if he's publishing multiple op-eds, etc, in other outlets?
    He has a voice because he was fired for a ridiculous reason. Same reason the Google dude was invited on news shows.

    Maybe I'm not looking in the right place but I never see leftists getting fired for holding leftist opinions

  19. The Following User Says Thank You to sturg33 For This Useful Post:

    thethe (04-24-2018)

  20. #737
    Shift Leader thethe's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    69,579
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    5,507
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    5,179
    Thanked in
    3,898 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    He has a voice because he was fired for a ridiculous reason. Same reason the Google dude was invited on news shows.

    Maybe I'm not looking in the right place but I never see leftists getting fired for holding leftist opinions
    This is the key issue. When was the last time a leftist was fired for this?
    Natural Immunity Croc

  21. #738
    10 yr, $185 million Extension
    Join Date
    Jul 2015
    Posts
    4,626
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    199
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    1,328
    Thanked in
    853 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    The end game of capitalism is the free exchange of goods and services between consenting parties.
    Consenting parties whose end game is each the accumulation of capital?

  22. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to mqt For This Useful Post:

    goldfly (04-24-2018), jpx7 (04-24-2018)

  23. #739
    I <3 Ron Paul + gilesfan sturg33's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    52,587
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    1,018
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    8,096
    Thanked in
    5,758 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by mqt View Post
    Consenting parties whose end game is each the accumulation of capital?
    Some folks do. Others don't.

    Capitalism is simply freedom.

    I've never understood why that is bad. But luckily for the world, capitalism has allowed billions of people to escape poverty and has vaulted the US into the world's biggest superpower.

  24. #740
    A Chip Off the Old Rock Julio3000's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    15,038
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    6,273
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    9,790
    Thanked in
    5,155 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    He has a voice because he was fired for a ridiculous reason. Same reason the Google dude was invited on news shows.

    Maybe I'm not looking in the right place but I never see leftists getting fired for holding leftist opinions
    I never see leftists getting hired by this kind of outlet.

    I agree with you that there is a too-narrow band of discourse deemed appropriate by the gatekeepers here.

    He got fired because the Atlantic decided that his upside was not worth defending his repeated take that women who've had abortions should be hanged. You've assiduously declined to address what he actually wrote, which I think is an important component here.

    I mean, if ideological diversity is what you're after here, why aren't you similarly het up that center-right publications don't hire socialists to write for them?

  25. The Following User Says Thank You to Julio3000 For This Useful Post:

    jpx7 (04-24-2018)

Similar Threads

  1. Political safe space thread.
    By weso1 in forum LOCKER ROOM TALK
    Replies: 29
    Last Post: 09-20-2017, 11:03 AM
  2. Replies: 16
    Last Post: 07-22-2014, 12:30 AM
  3. Income Inequality and political polarization?
    By zitothebrave in forum LOCKER ROOM TALK
    Replies: 17
    Last Post: 06-03-2014, 09:30 AM
  4. Political Conspiracy Theories.
    By The Chosen One in forum LOCKER ROOM TALK
    Replies: 92
    Last Post: 03-21-2014, 10:49 AM
  5. We need a new political board contrarian...
    By weso1 in forum LOCKER ROOM TALK
    Replies: 32
    Last Post: 09-11-2013, 07:38 AM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •