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    Political Correctness

    Bill Maher nails it... warning for language


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    Agreed I watch bill Maher often despite his political views.

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    I have always liked Maher. I dont agree with his policy views a lot but I respect people who are intellectually honest and are not afraid to say what they believe even if it is not popular. Abolisitionists were hated in the South and North for advocating an end to slavery for example.



    When peoppe are honest about their views we can have open and meaningful debate.




    Another guy I like who is similar is Jimmy Dore. He doesnt support people just because they have a D next to their name on the ticket.
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    This is the one I was telling you guys about on Friday night (after I watched it) in another thread. It's a classic

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    Now the left is demanding a boycott against Uber, because they had the audacity to offer people rides to and from JFK airport... rather than refusing to drive in order to boost the protests.

    Uber sent out a tweet saying that since cabs were not performing rides, that Uber would suspend surge pricing so that people wouldn't get screwed over with huge fares.

    After massive backlash, the Uber CEO went public with an apology.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    Now the left is demanding a boycott against Uber, because they had the audacity to offer people rides to and from JFK airport... rather than refusing to drive in order to boost the protests.

    Uber sent out a tweet saying that since cabs were not performing rides, that Uber would suspend surge pricing so that people wouldn't get screwed over with huge fares.

    After massive backlash, the Uber CEO went public with an apology.
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    The communist threat never died.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    The communist threat never died.
    Ok, now I will be glibly dismissive:

    lol

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    But yea: if you consider economic justice to be your enemy, then you should be afraid: because the combination of (a) tepid, establishment (neo)liberals blithely knocking over progressive candles until they've blindly burned down the Democratic Party's house and (b) a right-wing autocratic santorum-stain ascending to the head of the executive branch has radicalized a lot of folks, young and old, to pursue a more truly-equitable economic ordering, as opposed to agitating for a few more band-aids on the suppurating gash of late-state capitalism. And the sort of redresses I seek—single-payer, UBI, better-subsidized post-secondary, more stringent worker-protections, increased access to the franchise for those marginalized by fiduciary or social status, restrictions on corporate financing of our elections, less regressive and more progressive taxation, less privatisation of public funds—well those are all actually pretty damn minor, pretty damn mainstream, and pretty damn still-working-within-the-established-economics compared to what a lot of those folks would entertain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jpx7 View Post
    Ok, now I will be glibly dismissive:

    lol

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    But yea: if you consider economic justice to be your enemy, then you should be afraid: because the combination of (a) tepid, establishment (neo)liberals blithely knocking over progressive candles until they've blindly burned down the Democratic Party's house and (b) a right-wing autocratic santorum-stain ascending to the head of the executive branch has radicalized a lot of folks, young and old, to pursue a more truly-equitable economic ordering, as opposed to agitating for a few more band-aids on the suppurating gash of late-state capitalism. And the sort of redresses I seek—single-payer, UBI, better-subsidized post-secondary, more stringent worker-protections, increased access to the franchise for those marginalized by fiduciary or social status, restrictions on corporate financing of our elections, less regressive and more progressive taxation, less privatisation of public funds—well those are all actually pretty damn minor, pretty damn mainstream, and pretty damn still-working-within-the-established-economics compared to what a lot of those folks would entertain.
    Economic justice does not have a univereal meaning. It's based in the morals of the individual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    Economic justice does not have a univereal meaning. It's based in the morals of the individual.
    To some extent: yes. To some extent: no. Regardless, I listed—in practical, policy terms—what it means for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jpx7 View Post
    To some extent: yes. To some extent: no. Regardless, I listed—in practical, policy terms—what it means for me.
    And what it means for you and sadly way too many people is completely against what America was founded on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    And what it means for you and sadly way too many people is completely against what America was founded on.
    That's simply not true. This country was founded on an ideology that is alien to either of us, and our respective ideologies would be alien to any of the men who founded this country.

    You can be sad, but formulate a better reason than that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jpx7 View Post
    That's simply not true. This country was founded on an ideology that is alien to either of us, and our respective ideologies would be alien to any of the men who founded this country.

    You can be sad, but formulate a better reason than that.
    It was founded on individual liberty and freedom. The system in which you propose sacrifices the individual for the collective.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    It was founded on individual liberty and freedom. The system in which you propose sacrifices the individual for the collective.
    You mean the country that initially only franchised land-owning males, whose economy for the first century was largely driven by chattel slavery, and whose understanding of unusual cruelty in criminal justice was being drawn by a horse and quartered?

    Again: This country was founded on an ideologies that are alien to either of us, and our respective ideologies would be alien to any of the men who founded this country.

    You can be sad; but formulate better, more historically-aware reasons than those.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    The system in which you propose sacrifices the individual for the collective.
    Also: that's not even true! Here's a good example of how we, as a nation, could fund a UBI with minimal-to-nil sacrifice of "individual for the collective."
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    As Libertarian as I am I do feel lIke when we get to a certain point in automation and technology a communist system might work best.
    "Donald Trump will serve a second term as president of the United States.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    It was founded on [insert some words which you consider shorthand for your political worldview].
    Now anyone can play!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    Here's a shock... after the tolerant left demanded Uber CEO step down from Presidential advisory board... they then turned their sights on Elon Musk.

    Remember folks, debate is no longer welcome. Influence and changing minds is no longer welcome.

    You'd think the tolerant left would be happy to like-minded influencers in Trump's ear... but nope, you must do as they say, or your house will be burnt. As Bill Maher said, you must now apologize

    The left is embarrassing themselves. If Trump has even a moderately successful presidency the democrats/liberal/progressive parties will be in shambles for a long time.

    But, if Trump screws this whole thing up I could see the pendulum swing back over to the left

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    The left ... themselves. .. the left
    what does that even mean ?

    and who is the left ?
    when and where is the meeting
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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    But, if Trump screws this whole thing up I could see the pendulum swing back over to the left

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