Since They're Talking About Him

[clvclv]

And it's been such a slow week...

Assuming Arizona would eat ALL of the deferred money ($52.5 million) and the assignment bonus he's due if he's traded ($2 million), would you trade Garcia (Jaime) and ship Touki back to the desert for Greinke?

That gives you Zack and Julio at the top through 2020. If you did so, tacking on two more years to the end of Teheran's deal would then seem to be a no-brainer so you'd control them both through 2022, presumably making some of the other arms expendable - in the right deals, of course.

[Horsehide Harry]

And it's been such a slow week...

Assuming Arizona would eat ALL of the deferred money ($52.5 million) and the assignment bonus he's due if he's traded ($2 million), would you trade Garcia and ship Touki back to the desert?

That gives you Zack and Julio at the top through 2020. If you did so, tacking on two more years to the end of Teheran's deal would then seem to be a no-brainer so you'd control them both through 2022, presumably making some of the other arms expendable - in the right deals, of course.

If you can get them to eat all the deferred money and the trade bonus, then yes for Garcia (the 3B?, no idea why they would want him) and Touki. No brainer. You essentially get Greinke for $21M per year for Touki.

Even if the Braves didn't want to keep him, they could likely get a huge haul at the deadline from a contending team that would far outweigh just Touki.

Stranger things have happened, I guess.

[smootness]

They would never consider that, but yeah, of course.

[mqt]

Your first sentence is missing the name Greinke and it confused the **** out of me at first. But yes, I'd make that deal.

[Managuarantano's Volunteers]

If you can get them to eat all the deferred money and the trade bonus, then yes for Garcia (the 3B?, no idea why they would want him) and Touki. No brainer. You essentially get Greinke for $21M per year for Touki.

Even if the Braves didn't want to keep him, they could likely get a huge haul at the deadline from a contending team that would far outweigh just Touki.

Stranger things have happened, I guess.

I think it's Jaime. But yeah, would definitely do that deal.

[Horsehide Harry]

I think it's Jaime. But yeah, would definitely do that deal.

Ahh..

[Hawk]

Would anyone here do it if Arizona only ate $25MM of that deferred money?

[Horsehide Harry]

Would anyone here do it if Arizona only ate $25MM of that deferred money?

Not me. He's 33. Too much risk. I might take him as a straight salary dump for that. Greinke and $25M for one season ticket to Braves home games located behind the RF support post.

[clvclv]

Cleaned up.

[nsacpi]

And it's been such a slow week...

Assuming Arizona would eat ALL of the deferred money ($52.5 million) and the assignment bonus he's due if he's traded ($2 million), would you trade Garcia (Jaime) and ship Touki back to the desert for Greinke?

That gives you Zack and Julio at the top through 2020. If you did so, tacking on two more years to the end of Teheran's deal would then seem to be a no-brainer so you'd control them both through 2022, presumably making some of the other arms expendable - in the right deals, of course.

I think you are on the right track in terms of the Braves making this type of trade for a high quality starter sometime over the next year. But I would prefer they look for a deal on someone with 3 years or less remaining on their contract than the 5 years Greinke has remaining.

[cajunrevenge]

I would love to be a fly on the wall if we offered to give back the prospect we bought for 14 million if the DBacks give us Greinke and eat 54.5 million in salary.

[Horsehide Harry]

I would love to be a fly on the wall if we offered to give back the prospect we bought for 14 million if the DBacks give us Greinke and eat 54.5 million in salary.

Would be worth it just to hear what they call LaRussa and Stewart

[Enscheff]

Internal valuations by the Cubs indicated the acquisition of Chapman would increase their odds of winning the WS by 5%. I have no idea how they arrived at that figure, but it probably hinged on the assumption Chapman, and all elite relievers, are able to pitch a larger portion of the innings during the postseason and have a much larger impact than they do during the regular season.

That is the justification of trading for Chapman. Stupidly saying "they won a championship so it was worth it" is not. By that logic any move the Cubs, or any WS team, made that year is justified no matter how bad it was.

[cajunrevenge]

If any team can be excused for making that kind of trade it was the cubs. And that number was pulled out of their ass.

[Enscheff]

If any team can be excused for making that kind of trade it was the cubs. And that number was pulled out of their ass.

Just because you don't understand how a number was calculated does not mean it was pulled from an ass. I'm sure your minimal intellect means you don't know how the vast majority of numbers in the world are calculated...but they are all still valid.

[cajunrevenge]

I acknowledge I cant compete with a genius of your level but their number is the same I would come up with by pulling it out of my ass. If your going to do the math I guarantee you its not coming out to a nice round number like 5%. It would be more like 4.71% or 5.21%, but what do I know.

[Enscheff]

I acknowledge I cant compete with a genius of your level but their number is the same I would come up with by pulling it out of my ass. If your going to do the math I guarantee you its not coming out to a nice round number like 5%. It would be more like 4.71% or 5.21%, but what do I know.

True, but maybe, just maybe, since they were giving an interview they said "about 5%"? Maybe?

Is logic really that hard for you to process? How do you do things like grocery shop and laundry? My word, how do you manage to file your taxes or operate a microwave? Do you hurt yourself while opening the can of beef stew you eat for dinner?

[cajunrevenge]

I voted for you for best poster so no, logic fails me.

[JohnAdcox]

I voted for you for best poster so no, logic fails me.

You are dead to me.

[TheBravos]

True, but maybe, just maybe, since they were giving an interview they said "about 5%"? Maybe?

Is logic really that hard for you to process? How do you do things like grocery shop and laundry? My word, how do you manage to file your taxes or operate a microwave? Do you hurt yourself while opening the can of beef stew you eat for dinner?

I actually agree with that...it was a rounded number. It is a number greatly depending on opinions. It turns out a good trade because they won the WS. This was such a close one...even 1% of an increased chance, could maybe be the difference. Whatever the percentage...it definitely paid off and when it's been as long as it was for the Cubs...you have to go all in when the chance is there. I would consider this a bad trade for most teams as to what was given up. The Yankees also came out smelling like roses, so it was a win for both teams.

Enscheff: You have mentioned because of the different dead time with your job, it provides you extra time to crunch stats. You have probably more knowledge than anyone on here, because you have the time to put in. The fact that everyone posting on here doesn't have time, does not mean they have low IQ's....it just means....they don't have time to crunch stats, because they...well...don't have the extra time to crunch stats.

My point?

Are we not all on the same team? I get it...you get bored and you have fun stirring the pot. It frustrates you that everyone hasn't put the same time in as you have. Most people just can't. How about being nice to the people that are on your team and "if" you just need the rub of a good argument....sign up on a Mets or Phillies board and give them HELL.