The Liberal Media Bubble

[Oklahomahawk]

Do you watch her show? I can't stand her

I've watched snippets here and there and I've seen her on Bill Maher. She obviously has a brain, but she rubs me the wrong way personally big time. She makes me want to disagree with her even on those times when I actually agree with her.


EDIT: My apologies for being a buttinski, I didn't notice at first your question was directed at runnin.

[Runnin]

Do you watch her show? I can't stand her

Just snippets here and there, but she does her work and she's smart. The self-serving tone aimed right at its core audience of any long-running news show annoys me. I just want the plain facts but that's hard to get these days.

The tax returns are from 2005. Who cares? We already know he's as crooked as he can possibly get away with and has a finger in every available pie.

[Hawk]

I'm not sure what this is supposed to signify.

Based on the graphic at the bottom, I assume it's referring to what Dmitry Peskov said on Fareed Zakaria's show on CNN. So it's based on a story reported on CNN, a major news outlet, yet one not included in that graphic. That might tend to undercut the case they're making.

If you'd like to get specific, let's look at Mr.Peskov's actuall words:

“Well, if you look at some people connected with Hillary Clinton during her campaign, you would probably see that he had lots of meetings of that kind,” Dmitry Peskov told CNN “GPS” host Fareed Zakaria. “There are lots of specialists in politology, people working in think tanks advising Hillary or advising people working for Hillary.”

Not only is that not "Clinton Team Also Met Russian Ambassador," it's . . . actually, it's nothing, without supporting information. What's the news that was made that the networks aren't reporting on? A Russian spokesman made an extremely vague statement. News at 11.

Did Fox do some awesome follow-up reporting that I missed? I mean, if there's a story here that's being buried, seems like they'd be all over it.

Did people at think tanks within X degrees of separation of Hillary Clinton meet the Russian Ambassador? I'd be shocked if someone didn't. I agree that there's been a degree of hysteria about meeting an ambassador in the ordinary course of his duties, but there's still this fundamentally dishonest elision of the fact that the salient story is that people around Trump (and Trump himself) have been consistently lying about those contacts.

So this looks like a dodge, designed solely to give cover to the WH, coming from a friendly media outlet. If you're posting this as evidence of liberal media groupthink (the principle of which I'm not disputing), my question is: what's the big story that's not being reported?

So let me get this straight. Flynn/Sessions (routinely) meeting with a Russian Ambassador is news because it fits your Red Scare narrative, but Clinton's team purportedly doing the same exact thing isn't news because ... no 'supporting information'.

I wonder who the onus is on to produce that information?

[57Brave]

Why do they lie about it ?
When I was told "oh my god, Sessions met with ... " my response was what is so unusual about that ? Senators and other high ranking government officials regularly meet with foreign dignitaries
Until I learned the issue was Sessions lied about it under oath

Just like the tax returns, why evade disclosure.
the tax returns may very well exonerate the Trump administration == but why ...

Did HRC or any of her people deny meeting with the Ambassador ---- Publicly or under oath ?
I am not clear on that

Probably would have been a relevant question to ask during the campaign.
When HRC was relevant
The campaign is over -- move on snowflake :)

[Hawk]

"We have stated many times that there are no Russian troops on the territory of Ukraine. And while President Obama is saying that there are no doubts about it, officials from the U.S. State Department simultaneously with their president are saying that the U.S. does not have any evidence of the presence of the Russian military in the territory of Ukraine. This situation stresses the reluctance to rely on facts,"
Peskov said to the Russian News Service(September '14).

Seriously, y'all. A "probably" from this guy via a desperately spinning Fox News is not the place from whence great media criticism is born.

“There was no such wiretap activity mounted against the president, the president-elect, at the time, or as a candidate, or against his campaign,” James Clapper said on NBC’s “Meet the Press” Sunday morning.

vs.

"Does the NSA collect any type of data at all on millions or hundreds of millions of Americans?"

"No, sir." – James Clapper, under oath.

---

FWIW, in the interests of an accurate media criticism, Peskov made his comments on CNN and they were newsworthy enough to be picked up by multiple outlets. Fox just chose to highlight the disparity of coverage on major American TV networks.

[Hawk]

Why do they lie about it ?

They don't.

[57Brave]

excuse me

[Hawk]

excuse me

Step outside of the bubble. It's okay, I'm right here. Grab hold of my hand.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1621

[57Brave]

"I did not have communications with the Russians "
3:35 on

[Hawk]

"I did not have communications with the Russians "
3:35 on

In the context of the question being asked, that statement is not (as of yet) untruthful.

[Julio3000]

Hawk, why did Mike Flynn lose his job?

[Hawk]

Hawk, why did Mike Flynn lose his job?

He was a sacrificial lamb.

It was likely judged by the WH that it would be easier to let him fall on his own sword rather than deal with months of headline grabbing inquiries related to 'secret' Russian meetings.

Aside from the Sessions kerfuffle, it's a tactic which appears to be working.

[sturg33]

The Russia stuff is hilarious to me... I need to buy some stock in tin foil bc the user base just massively expanded

[Julio3000]

He was a sacrificial lamb.

It was likely judged by the WH that it would be easier to let him fall on his own sword rather than deal with months of headline grabbing inquiries related to 'secret' Russian meetings.

Aside from the Sessions kerfuffle, it's a tactic which appears to be working.

Ok. Did he lie about the nature and the frequency of his conversations?

[Hawk]

Ok. Did he lie about the nature and the frequency of his conversations?

Come to your point, sir.

[Julio3000]

Come to your point, sir.

You said "they don't" lie. He did. Obviously. Unless he told the truth to them and the rest of the crew lied. Either way, somebody lied. That's my point.

[Hawk]

You said "they don't" lie. He did. Obviously. Unless he told the truth to them and the rest of the crew lied. Either way, somebody lied. That's my point.

It's pretty lazy to casually label Flynn a liar in respect to the conversations with Kislyak.

But it fits your narrative, so it works. I get that.

[Julio3000]

Hawk, I'm going by the information that is publicly available.

The White House press secretary reported that, per the White House counsel, Flynn had misled the VP about the frequency AND the content of his conversations with Kislyak. How am I being lazy?

You said "they don't" lie. Flynn was fired precisely because he lied. Why is this even worthy of an argument?

[57Brave]

under oath:


Sen Franken:
If there is any evidence that anyone affiliated with the Trump campaign communicated with the Russian government in the course of this campaign, what will you do?


Sessions:

I’m not aware of any of these activities. I’ve been called a surrogate a time or two during the campaign and I did not have any communications with the Russians ..

pretty black and white.
What he said wasn't true, was it.
.............................

Then-Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.) spoke twice last year with Russia’s ambassador to the United States, Justice Department officials said, encounters he did not disclose when asked about possible contacts between members of President Trump’s campaign and representatives of Moscow during Sessions’s confirmation hearing to become attorney general.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.fe75006e062d


As a Senator I have no problem with him meting, that is what they do. Or even had he said yeah, while with the campaign I spoke with them or even cloaked it in Senatorial duties but,
why was he not truthful ?
Another word for "not truthful" you are aware is, lie

[Hawk]

You are choosing to take Flynn's 'misleading' as intentional and not innocent. That's what I find particularly lazy ... and kind of galling, although not surprising given the bloodthirsty nature of today's political climate.

The exact content of Flynn's conversations with Kislyak were recorded (and subsequently disseminated). If the man did anything truly egregious he'd be in custody right now.

End of story.