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    Quote Originally Posted by thewupk View Post
    Give key players more days off as the season ends. Not managing game 155 as it's the 7th game of the World Series.
    So basically tell the fans to stop showing up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    So basically tell the fans to stop showing up.
    They already did that by the poor play the last two years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thewupk View Post
    What is his upside compared to realistic expectations? Kemp is going to be 32 this year. There comes a time when upside is no longer a thing for a player.
    When you are talking about hitters that were once mvp caliber players then yes there is more upside. This is not me saying Kemp will be that God but there will always be more upsdie with him at the same age range than someone like trumbo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thewupk View Post
    They already did that by the poor play the last two years.
    The poor product on the field is different than sitting your best players in the last month of a season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    When you are talking about hitters that were once mvp caliber players then yes there is more upside. This is not me saying Kemp will be that God but there will always be more upsdie with him at the same age range than someone like trumbo.
    Again compare that to realistic expectations. Injuries and the toll of playing center as a big bodied player has a serious negative impact on your overall game as you age.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    The poor product on the field is different than sitting your best players in the last month of a season.
    There is. However besides getting himself another year as the manager what good did Snit to by managing the way he did down the stretch? There is no carryover effect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thewupk View Post
    Again compare that to realistic expectations. Injuries and the toll of playing center as a big bodied player has a serious negative impact on your overall game as you age.
    Agreed but his usual still exceeds a player like trumbo

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    I would have left Dansby down last year - and held out til the home opener in 2017.

    That probably would have cost a win, and gotten us an extra year of control

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    Quote Originally Posted by thewupk View Post
    There is. However besides getting himself another year as the manager what good did Snit to by managing the way he did down the stretch? There is no carryover effect.
    I'd like to think ender enjoyed last year so much that he signed here long terms at a bargain. You have to think outside the box aside from win loss records in individual seasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    Agreed but his usual still exceeds a player like trumbo
    His usual hasn't been that good lately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    I would have left Dansby down last year - and held out til the home opener in 2017.

    That probably would have cost a win, and gotten us an extra year of control
    No extra control. But less wins for sure. Less ticket sales in 2016/2017 most likely as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    I'd like to think ender enjoyed last year so much that he signed here long terms at a bargain. You have to think outside the box aside from win loss records in individual seasons.
    But 1 more loss would have changed his mind? Ender cashed in on guaranteed money which is a good move by a limited offensive player.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thewupk View Post
    His usual hasn't been that good lately.
    Agreed. Kemp hasn't really cared about baseball that much for a few years and battled nagging injuries. Let's see how he does in Atlanta because the early returns have been excellent and it goes beyond his production last year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thewupk View Post
    But 1 more loss would have changed his mind? Ender cashed in on guaranteed money which is a good move by a limited offensive player.
    The wins and losses are a byproduct of an environment and strategy. The goal is to win every game. That can't be turned on and off and it was that mentality that probably convinced ender (along with many zeroes) that Atlanta was a place to play long term.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    The poor product on the field is different than sitting your best players in the last month of a season.
    I really think you're overestimating the effect resting the starters would have on attendance. By August in 2015 and 2016 attendance was already sitting well below 50% of capacity for most home games, even dipping down into the 30-35% area for weekday games. At that point you can see attendance went up when teams like the Mets, Nats or Yankees were in town, which had less to do with what the Braves were putting on the field and more to do with who they were playing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    Agreed. Kemp hasn't really cared about baseball that much for a few years and battled nagging injuries. Let's see how he does in Atlanta because the early returns have been excellent and it goes beyond his production last year.
    lol. If only every player cared just a little bit more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    The wins and losses are a byproduct of an environment and strategy. The goal is to win every game. That can't be turned on and off and it was that mentality that probably convinced ender (along with many zeroes) that Atlanta was a place to play long term.
    The goal should be to make your franchise better. Winning games at the end of 2016 doesn't accomplish that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thewupk View Post
    lol. If only every player cared just a little bit more.
    I know you don't agree with this. I'm OK with that. We don't have to submit to any one style of thought. I don't mock your statistical beliefs but I'll question them. I would appreciate it if you took the same route.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    I know you don't agree with this. I'm OK with that. We don't have to submit to any one style of thought. I don't mock your statistical beliefs but I'll question them. I would appreciate it if you took the same route.
    That's fine. I just feel there is a multitude of reasons on why Kemp hit better in the 2nd half (which he was doing in San Diego before coming over) than starting to care about baseball when he got to Atlanta.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thewupk View Post
    Give key players more days off as the season ends. Not managing game 155 as it's the 7th game of the World Series.
    Exactly. NBA teams do this all the time when tanking, and it pays off. Now we'll have to go cheap at pick 5 instead of going cheap at pick 2.

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