Meals of Wheels

[57Brave]

"Libraries leverage the tiny amount of federal funds they receive through their states into an incredible range of services for virtually all Americans everywhere to produce what could well be the highest economic and social ROI [return on investment] in the entire federal budget."

http://www.publishersweekly.com/pw/b...d51a-305335789

[weso1]

As you know it will be run even more efficiently and cost effective with the government out of the way.

The irony is that the government has largely been out of the way, which is why it will survive. It's actually a very strong example when libertarians bring up private organizations that provide for those who are the most needy.

[57Brave]

As Mr. Trump and his advisers press for bone-deep cuts to the federal budget, Republican governors have rapidly emerged as an influential bloc of opposition. They have complained to the White House about reductions they see as harmful or arbitrary, and they plan to pressure members of Congress from their states to oppose them.


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/22/u...=top-news&_r=0


The White House’s proposed cuts would be felt in matters well beyond economic development: A budget briefing circulated last week by the National Governors Association, a nonpartisan group, identified a long list of Trump-backed cuts to programs that support states. They include the Low Income Home Energy Assistance Program, a $3 billion project in the Department of Health and Human Services that helps people pay for heating and air conditioning, and the Community Development Block Grant program, a $3 billion initiative of the Department of Housing and Urban Development that funds local projects from affordable housing to Meals on Wheels.

[zitothebrave]

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/fo...icle-1.3004757

[50PoundHead]

But you are thinking as a politician...

I am speaking as someone who has witnessed a number of policy initiatives over the years that are presented in a way that produces more problems for the advocates than would be necessary to promote the proposal. There were ways to get at this issue that wouldn't have provided ready-made talking points for the Dems. Unless, of course, Trump wants to just look like a bully. This is a paltry amount of revenue to pick a fight over.

[50PoundHead]

But they're still going to get their meals on wheels. They may be confused for a month, but in the end it will be hard to ignore the fact that their meals are still being delivered. Don't see how that's a real headache for Trump.

Because the on-going drumbeat will be that he cut Meals on Wheels. I don't see why this is so hard for folks to understand. Some scabs really bleed when you pick them. If there is any inconvenience, people are going to complain and they are going to blame Trump's budget whether that is fair or not.

Look at the ACA. A much bigger piece of legislation with certainly more discernible and significant shifts in the insurance industry. But it got blamed for everything that was wrong with health care on a day-to-day basis since its inception. Some of that is warranted and some of it is not. This item is a grain of sand compared to that in the whole scheme of things, but when people--especially seniors--have their routine disrupted, they don't like it.

[57Brave]

... and why should they? A society should be judged by how it treats its parents and grandparents. Not by how many get away skirting taxes

If taxes want to be argued, that is fine. But the scorched earth starve the beast school of thought is for lack of a better word, cruel.
Even the mention of it

The word I've been looking for was arbitrary
this just seemed so arbitrary

[cajunrevenge]

Love to see private donations. If these programs are so great and helpful then they shouldn't need to take our money at gunpoint to fund it. I have no problem paying taxes I just wish we had more control over where it's going. Knowing what I pay in taxes helps fund human slavery disgusts me.

[57Brave]

Of course in an ideal world that would be nice.
And so would a pony and the food to feed it , in every backyard


There is an old saying in Tennessee and to be blunt
Get private donations to fund a program like MOW in one hand then **** in the other and see which fills up first.

The Myth of Private Donations
There is a reason they came to the federal government in the first place. And it wasn't just because they wanted "free stuff"

[BedellBrave]

I am speaking as someone who has witnessed a number of policy initiatives over the years that are presented in a way that produces more problems for the advocates than would be necessary to promote the proposal. There were ways to get at this issue that wouldn't have provided ready-made talking points for the Dems. Unless, of course, Trump wants to just look like a bully. This is a paltry amount of revenue to pick a fight over.

I think there are two questions here actually:

1. Why do it? - There are reasons as weso has enumerated why Trump should have done this.

2. If you are going to do this, why do it so Trumpily? On that question I agree with you.

[57Brave]

The Trump administration's proposed budget isn't just unconscionable for how inhumane it is, it's a sweeping effort to hamstring science, setting back lifesaving advances in both medical research and treatment that will inevitably make our nation sicker and result in unneeded deaths.

Here's a brief look at the chopping block:

National Institutes of Health—$6 billion cut
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention—a 17 percent cut of $1.3 billion
Food and Drug Administration—a 31 percent cut, from $2.7 billion to $1.89 billion (supposedly offset by increased fees from drug and device makers)
Planned Parenthood—barred from Medicaid funding or any other Health and Human Services program
Children’s Health Insurance Program (CHIP)—at least a 20 percent cut over the next two fiscal years, as a part of overall cuts in Medicaid funding

The CDC director had some immediate thoughts to share about the budget:

The cuts would negatively impact everything from the National Cancer Institute to the National Heart, Lung and Blood Institute to the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases to NASA. The Washington Post reports:

The National Science Foundation, which dispenses grants to a variety of scientific research endeavors, would be trimmed $776 million, an 11 percent cut. NSF had not been mentioned in the administration's earlier budget outline, the so-called "skinny budget," which was released in March. [...]

In a separate tweet, [CDC director] Frieden listed what he sees as the dire ramifications of the Trump proposal, saying, for starters, that it "Devastates programs that protect Americans from cancer, diabetes, heart attacks, strokes and other deadly and expensive conditions."

Also terminated would be NASA's Office of Education, as well as five NASA Earth Science missions that the administration considers to be low-priority. The administration said killing those Earth Science missions would save $191 million.

In addition to the budget's disastrous effects on health care, the cuts would also dampen job creation in the medical sector—one of the nation's biggest engines of economic growth.

Rush Holt, CEO of the American Association for the Advancement of Science, said the Trump budget is short-sighted, particularly in assuming that economic growth won't be hampered by cuts in government-funded research.

"There's this rosy optimism that somehow growth will magically occur, and yet it cuts the principal source of that growth," Holt said. The proposal "savages research. Economists are clear: That’s where we ultimately get our economic growth.”

The budget was indeed so appalling that even some the GOP's most conservative members pushed back on the cuts.

One Republican lawmaker, Rep. Tom Cole of Oklahoma, flinched at the thought of cutting NIH and such programs as Meals on Wheels. Rep. Mark Meadows (R-N.C.), head of the ultra-conservative Freedom Caucus, said of Meals on Wheels, “I’ve delivered meals to a lot of people that perhaps it’s their only hot meal of the day."

When you offend Mark Meadows with the inhumanity of your budget cuts, you're truly in the running for scum of the earth.

By Kerry Eleveld

[cajunrevenge]

Hey you what let's just give everyone free money. We can just print that **** till it's less valuable than monopoly money. **** has to be it from somewhere. I would just do a blanket 25% cut to everything and tell them to make their **** more efficient. Maybe stop ordering **** loads of new for furniture and paintings to government buildings for a start. The waste in government is obscene. When there is no pressure to meet budget goals like a normal business they don't give a **** how much things cost. Gotta make sure you spend every penny allocated to you or they will cut it next year. Almost every program sounds great but just because it sounds great does not mean it gets good results.

[sturg33]

Yep... Cuts aren't nearly deep or wide enough

[thethe]

Yep... Cuts aren't nearly deep or wide enough

This.

[57Brave]

[mqt]

Hey you what let's just give everyone free money. We can just print that **** till it's less valuable than monopoly money. **** has to be it from somewhere. I would just do a blanket 25% cut to everything and tell them to make their **** more efficient. Maybe stop ordering **** loads of new for furniture and paintings to government buildings for a start. The waste in government is obscene. When there is no pressure to meet budget goals like a normal business they don't give a **** how much things cost. Gotta make sure you spend every penny allocated to you or they will cut it next year. Almost every program sounds great but just because it sounds great does not mean it gets good results.

Therefore let's spend the same amount of money, but funnel it toward the military!

[57Brave]

I think we could cut more out of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases.
People are still getting colds and pollen season around here ... whew
What do those people really do?

[57Brave]

Yep... Cuts aren't nearly deep or wide enough

Emma Sandoe‏ @emma_sandoe 17h17 hours ago

This isn't just about cuts to coverage- cutting Medicaid would devastate state budgets, put hospitals on life support, and cost jobs.

[sturg33]

Over the last 10 years the federal budget has increased 42%... and we're supposed to panic over miniscule cuts to miniscule programs and call them "inhumane"

Get a grip people... we were able to run the country before and we will be able to run it again.

I say cut everything by 40%... cut income taxes to 0%... and give the people back their property.

[cajunrevenge]

Therefore let's spend the same amount of money, but funnel it toward the military!

The military is the first place I would cut from. I Would have the troops home actually defending the country. We have plenty of money for healthcare so good you could get a handjob fromna pretty nurse once a week but we choose to kill and destroy instead. We can choose healthcare or deatgcare, we can't afford both.



The other reason I feel no sympathy is all these states have a means for paying for most of these cuts themselves if they legalized weed. Even the ones that already have could make a lot more tax revenue from it if there were not so many regulatory hoops to jump through to be able to sell it legally. Again they are choosing to use the money we give them to harm and terrorize innocent people. They need to prioritize the money we give them better. Maybe they need to think more like a business and innovate new revenue streams that are less harmful. I wouldn't say taxing the **** out of weed is good but it's a hell of a lot better than getting arrested and burdened with a criminal record.